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[–] TheEntity 135 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Sadly look at email. Technically you can host it yourself but if you're not one of the 15 or so big providers, good luck not being marked as spam before you even do anything.

The real problem is with the oligarchy controlling everything, service or protocol. This is why Threads was/is dangerous.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That is definitely a good point.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's literally the same point I was making, that your protocol can be blocked when they've decided they don't like it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] Squizzy 4 points 1 month ago

Ugh, but even so popularising the protocol would make it prohibitively expensive to increase the odds of interacting with threat actors. Its never 100% but its not worse.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Somewhat unfair judgement against emails IMO, especially cause it’s the “trust list” that’s in the control of a few, with no open manner to add more people to the trust list. The protocol isn’t at fault for failing to prevent problems; it’s the ability for corporations to gain significant market share without control, before they are then allowed to put barriers down to disallow or discourage interaction between those in and out, forcing those within to stay in, while those outside to give up on others in order to gain usability.

[–] TheEntity 15 points 1 month ago

That was my point too, I guess I wasn't clear enough so thanks for elaborating. The protocol isn't at fault, but something being a protocol (and not just a proprietary service) isn't enough if the vast majority of the market share is being held by a few corporations.

[–] surph_ninja 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And they’ve been systematically shutting down anonymous email services.

Load up Brave with a tor connection, and try to sign up for anonymous email. When they can’t track you reliably, even the “anonymous” services require a confirmation email or phone number.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Man I don't want a future where we doxx ourselves to just be on a PC. Its insane that parents think real ID for gaming is a good idea. Linux might be the only way to escape any of this in the near future.

[–] surph_ninja 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They pretend it’s to protect us from illegal activity, but it’s really to protect them from whistleblowers.

[–] CeeBee_Eh 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That's not entirely true. The push for KYC came because spam started going crazy. You have no clue how bad spam is right now. And believe me, you don't know. Take the worst case scenario you can think of, and multiply that by 100, and that starts to describe the state of spam emails for the past decade.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

My spam email gets like 10 a day instead of 900+ a day, significant improvements.

[–] surph_ninja 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Did they suddenly put a stop to email spam, and no one told me? My spam folder says otherwise, but I can confirm the hit to privacy.

Maybe combating spam was just the excuse?

[–] CeeBee_Eh 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you get 100 spam emails a day, then without those protections that have been put into place that number would be in the 100s of thousands at best.

[–] surph_ninja 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] CeeBee_Eh 1 points 3 weeks ago

A few years ago I switched the mail provider for the company I work for from a small MSP provider over to Google Workspace. The reason is my boss' inbox had an average of 5k+ of spam daily. He even had to abandon one of his email addresses at one point. After switching over to Google that number went to a more manageable few dozen daily.

It's absolutely a massive problem.