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It’s a lot of cars like 23 is a lot of shrimp. It is, but not compared to the size of an adult (or other auto makers, even younger ones than Tesla!)
I'm not trying to say it's a lot compared to Toyota. OP is saying they haven't sold a lot of cars while making a direct comparison to old Ford, while having sold 7 million, and also on track to beat the until now undisputed record at scaling from nothing to something that Ford originally made.
Edit: In case it wasn't clear, it was a terrible comparison for OP to make
I know that’s how this started. I don’t think it makes a difference. It would be wild to say “car manufacturers like ford and Tesla make a lot of cars,” because that’s misleading. What everyone else is doing is saying “[for a global auto manufacturer,] Tesla doesn’t sell a lot of cars,” and you’re not adding the bracketed portion.
You don’t have to, but it’s implied by the framing and everyone else isn’t wrong because they’re inferring the correct context that you’re unable or unwilling to infer.
Except everyone is trying to change the frame to defend OPs stance which is
A: A flat out wrong comparison
B: moving the goal post
OP was wrong and you're all to stubborn to admit it and want to find another way to be right. To do that, you need to move the goal posts and make it a comparison to today's auto manufactuers.
Edit clarity and below:
Ford was just the same antisemetic person at the state that Tesla is in now, and both sold a lot of cars.
Sound familiar?
If everyone around you seems to be really stubborn, maybe it’s time to check your shoes.
Obviously ford was antisemitic, but he’s not the same as musk for several reasons:
He was actually way more racist
He was a competent engineer
He controlled a much larger share of the auto market
You're trying to move the goal posts here, but I'll bite
I think we can both agree they're both bad people at this point in their own ways, I don't see the need to rate
This is where the delusion usually sets in. While he does not have a engineering degree, so he can't sign off on projects for other ~~people~~ companies, he is an engineer at SpaceX for all intents and purposes. Anyone who has spoken publicly about this, including Tom Mueller who helped build SpaceX from nothing says so. People all try to deny it by saying he and others lying to save face, making it a big conspiracy and they fall back to anonymous sources that try to say he does nothing and gobble it up.
Tesla is the global leader in BEV vehicles.
I don’t think I’m moving the goalposts, but I was being facetious. Ford was an incredible engineer and musk is probably a pretty good engineer. It looks to me like BYD is the market leader.
Tesla is first in market.
Any other stat will be including plug in hybrids which are still ICE vehicles.
BYD almost surpassed them this year, but didn't. They probably will next year.