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Considering the lack of consequences for his actions, and that he's been paraded around since by the party that won the election, it shows the moral philosophy of the country and its legal system.
His "actions" were nothing but him stopping people who were in the act of trying to murder him unprovoked.
Despite all of the ridiculous politicization of the events in Kenosha that day, that is the fact of the matter. His life was directly threatened for no reason, he tried to flee, was eventually cornered, and used his weapon to stop the aggressor from making good on his threat.
It is not immoral or illegal to use lethal force to protect your life from an imminent threat.
why was he there in the first place? Inserting yourself into a dangerous situation so that you have an excuse to shoot someone in "self defense" is vigilantism.
why was he invited to speak at political events after the fact? Lots of people have their "life threatened for no reason" and exercise their right to self defense, none of them have been invited to speak at political events. What was differnt about Rittenhouse's situation that made him a good candidate to give speeches?
He doesn't need a reason. And he had infinitely more ties to the area than any of his attackers, given that his father lived there, he had worked there, etc. It's literally his community.
Textbook victim blaming. By this logic, a woman knowingly walking through a bad neighborhood is to blame for any rape attempts made on her. After all, she 'inserted herself into a dangerous situation'. So if she fights back against an attempted rapist and they get injured or killed, she's a 'vigilante', according to your reasoning.
Absurd. It's so obvious how deeply bias has twisted your thinking, because I'll bet anything you wouldn't victim blame that hypothetical woman in the exact same analogous situation the way you did him. But that is the argument you made.
Because liars on the left unwittingly turned him into a champion of the ideologues on the other wing, by saying a bunch of bullshit about him that was directly proven to be false; that he was a racist white supremacist mad gunman who shot (black, at first, lol--it was a long time before it stopped being common for leftist ideologues to stop claiming it was black people he shot) people for no reason.
It was a massive mask-slip for the ideologues of the American left, clear evidence that they're just as eager to latch onto even obvious bullshit, when it confirms their biases, as any whacko on the right. Even now, years later, there are still people getting basic, firmly-established facts about that day completely wrong.
Even your characterization of him going to Kenosha because he wanted an excuse to shoot someone is a lie, nothing less. He did everything that someone 'looking for an excuse to shoot someone' WOULDN'T do:
We know everything he was up to while he was there. He didn't provoke or try to intimidate anyone. Before he went to the protest, he spent the morning cleaning graffiti off a local high school. When he showed up, he literally spent hours walking around, giving first aid to anyone who responded to his shouts of "medic!" and "friendly!", handing out water bottles to protesters on request (he did NOT counter-protest at all), and putting out fires, in between spending some time standing guard at the car dealership he was asked to help defend.
His first aggressor was a suicidal (literally--Rosenbaum had been released from a hospital after a suicide attempt THAT DAY) maniac who lost it after a fire he set was put out by Rittenhouse's group, LITERALLY screaming "I'm going to kill you!" before chasing Rittenhouse down while he tried to run away and then trying to wrestle his gun away from him.
Bottom line: I've paid little to no attention to Rittenhouse beyond the Kenosha case, but I am very familiar with the facts of that case, and Rittenhouse literally did nothing wrong in Kenosha that day. Nothing. It's obvious he went to Kenosha with nothing but good intentions, considering everything we know about what he actually did while there, and every significant action he took there that day (with the exception of the self-defense acts, which I consider amoral/morally neutral--it's human nature to protect your own life) was, objectively, benevolent.
Maybe don't attack people you disagree with to give them an opportunity to live out their vigilante fantasies?
Because grifters gonna grift and America is obsessed with celebrity and political turmoil? He was a very useful political pawn so they used him.
You're not being very clear here.
Are you blaming the Left for Rittenhouse shooting people? So much for personal responsibility.
Why was he a useful pawn? Was it because he killed people in order to protect property and people liked that?
Cool straw man, bro. Unless you think or you think I think The Left is a hive mind.
This is why I asked for clarification. The response to a Strawman is not to just say "Strawman" and act like you've achieved something (see: fallacy fallacy), the point of recognizing a Strawman is so that you can respond to it properly by restating your point/argument and clarifying where they went wrong.
That's only a good policy if you think they actually mistook your meaning, but we both know I don't believe The Left took control of the guy's hand to start swinging that skateboard at Rittenhouse.
If you attack someone and get shot over it, I'm not crying for you.
Okay, your talking about the guy who actually attacked Rittenhouse, not claiming that Rittenhouse was attacked so much by the left that he was driven to vigilantism.
So, 2 main responses to that:
Rittenhouse engineered a situation in which if skateboard guy had killed Rittenhouse that also likely would have been dismissed as self defense. (Crazy guy was walking around threatening people with a gun).
Someone attacking Rittenhouse still doesn't address my question of "Why was he there in the first place?"
See, this is why I was confused by your reponse. I asked "Why was he there?" "Someone attacked him while he was there" does not answer the question why was he there in the first place? so clearly you must have meant something else.
(See? I restated the question and clarified why your response was irrelevant. I didn't just say "Red herring" and act like I won something.)
I don't know where you got your information about Rittenhouse being reported to be a "crazy guy walking around with a gun" prior to the shooting, but I'd never heard that before.
To protest, obviously. Same as the other side.
Either way, painting Rittenhouse as some 4D chess champion genius enough to "engineer" that attack and legal self defense is bizarre. He's just some fucking kid who brought a gun to a protest and someone called his bluff by attacking him.
(See? You're finally getting past some of your hilariously wrong assumptions about me.)
I don't know where you got your information from, Rittenhouse had directly stated he was there to protect property. Not to protest. (Property that wasn't even his.)
He brought a gun to protect property (taking lives to protect property) from people who were protesting the loss of lives (damaging property to protect lives).
You put far too much faith in someone's words over their actions. Following your logic: The Jan 6 insurrectionists were "just there to visit" therefore it wasn't an insurrection?
Dude showed up to yap about a political issue. Someone attacked him. He defended himself. Case closed. If nobody had attacked him and he just started shooting people to take lives in order to protect property like you say he intended from the jump, he'd be in prison like he deserved.
"he didn't mean it" is not a legal or moral defense.
If someone's officially stated reasons damn them then there is no reason not to take them at their word. That doesn't mean everyone has to be taken at their word, but there are more argumentative steps involved in going from "You say X when it was actually Y because..." than in saying "You claim X, so let's assume X is true...."
I'm not going to argue with you about his "true" reason for being there when Rittenhouse himself says otherwise. You say he went to Yap about a political issue, I say he went there to have an excuse to shoot someone. So let's meet in the middle at Rittenhouse's stated reason. His official reason was "to defend property" which he stated in court. And that was deemed perfectly fine by the legal system and the people parading him around to give speeches.
As far as the the legal system and the people supporting him are concerned, Rittenhouse went there to defend property, ended up taking lives as a result, and that is perfectly fine.
He's very obviously just virtue signaling to the MAGA crowd. I'm just surprised someone from outside his target demographic fell for it.
His reasons for driving there, prior formed or thought up after the fact, are irrelevant. If you attack someone with a gun in the US, there's a pretty high chance they'll shoot at you. The jury would have no reason to take his explanation for his presence into account. Either he was there legally or he wasn't. He was, hence the acquital.
And why would that work with the MAGA crowd? Is it because they believe "you can kill people to protect property, you cannot damage property to protect people"?
And if you believe there's a pretty high chance someone with a gun is going to shoot you, it's legal for you to attack them in self defense. Arguably neither Rittenhouse nor the person who attacked him broke the law.
I am not saying he should have been found guilty based on existing laws. I'm saying it's really fucked up that he went somewhere he had no good reason to be, with a gun, with a stated intention of using that gun to protect property that wasn't even his, and not only was there no consequence for it he was actually rewarded and celebrated for doing so.
Whatever his "real" reason for going there, regardless of the actions of other people, the simple fact is Rittenhouse's presence directly resulted in deaths that would not have occurred had he stayed home.
The fact that so many people think that is perfectly fine is fucked up.
Mostly the MAGA crowd wants BLM to suffer at any cost and enjoys when anyone left of them is upset.
I don't know what you're basing the assertion that the deceased had reason to suspect Rittenhouse was going to shoot him. If memory serves from photos and testimony of the incident, Rittenhouse was getting chased down by a guy with a skateboard who swung on him, he fell down and then shot the guy. If you think someone with a gun is going to shoot you, why would running at them help?
If you agree that he should have been acquitted and you're sad that MAGA celebrates him we're on the same page about everything except your feeling that MAGA values and American values are 1:1. That and you seem to think that anyone who harbors ill will in their heart towards their attackers forfeits the right to self defense, which I disagree with.
Because you think they are going to shoot someone else.
I don't think they're 1:1, but by all available information MAGA values are at least 50% +1 of American values and the law of the land.
I still don't know where you got the idea it was so certain he was going to blast people at random that chasing him down to hit him with a skateboard was reasonable and prudent.
The only way your conclusion about MAGA = 51% of America makes sense is if voter participation was 100%.
About a third of Americans bothered to vote against Trump. The remaining 66% are either MAGA or have no problem with it.
You are hilariously wrong and I do not wish to converse with you further.
It's always the "hilariously wrong" people that need to announce they will no longer respond, instead of just not responding.
At best it only shows the moral philosophy of the plurality of people who bothered to vote, and your defeatism is tantamount to enabling their attitude.
One guy had an idea of the relationship between property and (black) lives and got into a fight which ended in a death and was acquitted for murder.
Do you think that because Casey Anthony was acquitted, America thinks killing kids is no biggie? What if a few people signal boosted her to rabble rouse their base?
It's a handful of morons who are now disproportionately at the helm. They don't speak for you or me.
Gestures broadly
Fair enough, didn't realize you felt killing kids was okay. You got me there.
Yes, that's exactly what I said. You are definitely communicating in good faith and continuing to respond to you would be a good use of my time.
Oh no, someone gave up on arguing with you in good faith when you've been glib this entire time!
Everyone else but you has to play by the rules, eh?
Using obvious sarcasm as a rhetorical technique is not in bad faith.
Aggressively playing dumb to manufacture an excuse to attack the person doing so as if his argument were sincere, even though you yourself admit you knew he'd "been glib this entire time," however, is in bad faith.
This is your warning.
Good point, you should nuke this entire thread and/or ban both of us for veering so far off-topic.
Nah, this isn't some elementary school with a zero-tolerance policy where we punish the victim along with the aggressor.
Ah gotcha, you're like cops: you ignore rules except when you can stretch them to punish someone you disagree with.