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Uh... the liberal powers sided with Joseph Stalin to beat Mussolini and Hitler in the biggest war involving liberals, communists and fascists?
Sure, eventually. And then only because their liberal order was directly attacked by fascism.
But who capitulated within Germany? The liberal (small l) government gave Hitler a slap on the wrist, because they were more worried about socialists.
Appreciate the input, this is actually a great discussion point.
That's not true, they 'gave Hitler a slap on the wrist' because just 20 years earlier they lived through a war that killed 11 million people and were psychologically unprepared for another one. And the liberal order wasn't attacked by fascists at the outset really, Poland wasn't part of it. In fact there wasn't really a liberal order at all. It was ultimaty a matter of balance of power.
Hitler's activities within Germany at his arrest were those of a street agitator akin to someone like Enrique Tario. The liberals in government liked that the fascist movement was wrecking the socialists in the streets and taking their rhetoric and twisting it towards right-wing projects.
Hitler didn't get his minimal punishment to avoid a war.
And the Allies joined the war because they realized it would be devastating to their empires if they let the Axis take whatever they wanted.
It doesn't make sense to universalize that moment into some kind of lesson about liberalism and fascism though. And the USSR only joined the war when attacked after havjng conspired to split Poland with fascist Germany.
This was my original claim, which I really meant to apply to fascists taking over within a society: it seems to be universally true that when this occurs it's because the liberal governments acquiesce to fascist creep because they're seen as a useful tool against the left.
I did enjoy discussing the wider context of this, but it's not really what I meant; I was emphasizing the first in the sentence.