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Can someone do a ELI5/outoftheloop type summary for me? Why did the mods leave? Where did they go?
The mods from r/Android started their own Lemmy instance called lemdro.id. Among the communities they opened was c/Android. There was already an Android community on Lemmy.world the was active with 15k+ subscribers.
The mods decided to merge with the communities and move over to lemdro.id in the hope to fight fragmentation. They locked the Lemmy.world instance to keep as an archive. And now we're here.
I'll add the post they made in bit.
Edit: https://lemmy.world/post/1117612
You forgot to mention that they literally asked no one here if that's what we wanted and arbitrarily closed the community like a Reddit mod would typically do and the whole fucking reason we all came here to avoid in the first place.
Yeah, you're absolutely right. I wasn't happy about it either, but I was just answering objectively.
Thank you, the mods in question explicitly doubled down on the fact that the lemmy.world members deserve no say in the matter and that Reddit's holy "moderator discretion" needs to be respected on lemmy.world too. Everyone needs to understand that it wasn't a community that "moved", it was a single moderator who decided to move. You just cannot call it a "merger" in that case no matter what obscene power moves Reddit allowed in the past.
Didn't the android mod team here have multiple mods? If only one decided to move then why didn't the others keep the community open?
There were only two mods, and only one decided that, since he himself admitted explicitly that it was his decision alone to forcibly close the community.
Both of the moderators supported the move to consolidate and their announcement thread was widely upvoted.
I wouldn't call around 400 upvotes, with almost 100 downvotes, as "widely upvoted" when other threads easily got thousands, after forcibly closing the community and leaving only that thread up there. If anything, the fact that after almost 2 weeks of you obsessing over the upvotes, since you brought it up multiple times, it got such a pathetic upvote count despite shutting down any critique by closing the community is another blow to you. You're grasping at straws and you should give up defending this shameless power hunger move that is characteristic of Reddit. Your move was forced by one single mod who himself admitted it, end of the story.
Since you love obsessing over the upvote counts, the comments denouncing your power hunger on Reddit when you decided to ignore [email protected] and create a duplicate community in the beginning got thousands of upvotes, but since they were inconvenient you deleted them all.
Also, still to satisfy your obsession over upvotes, this thread got 200 upvotes, almost no downvote, in only 2 days. We all can see why 1- no one really wants to go back to powertripping Reddit mods and 2- why you needed to force the closure, as you knew no one would voluntarily join you anyway.
It's really bad taste to still intervene here with an alt after what you and the other mod did. What you did and how you still defend it to this day is just shameless.
You know what else is characteristic of Reddit?
Immediately launching into assuming any moderator is horrible and organizing some kind of conspiracy, not ever acknowledging that people could be acting for a reason other than malice.
Malice or not, the fact that Reddit mod supporters keep dodging is that the closure was literally forced by one single mod.
You're grasping at straws to defend the undefendable here. c/android should have never been closed by one mod. The lemmy.world android community should have never been forced by one single mod to become a redirection page to another community on a completely different instance that's mostly moderated by Reddit moderators who kept deleting comments with thousands of upvotes on r/Android that called them out when they decided to create a duplicate community instead of joining this instance's community.
I'm calling out the hypocrisy of jeff who seems to obsess over the pathetic 400 upvotes and calls it being "widely upvoted". Him still intervening to still spread his lie is insulting, especially given that he's the one who kept deleting the highly upvoted comments on r/Android.
There were only two mods, if you're right, and considering the community didn't stay open tells me that either it was unanimous between the two of them or one of them was inactive.
I don't even think what they did was the right way to go about it, but you're just trying to pin these random internet strangers with all sorts of shit for no reason other than to incite what's basically a flamewar.
Also only the creator can close a community on a Lemmy instance, and he said himself that he made the decision alone. The other mod was obviously onboard since he followed him to the new community, but seemingly only after the fact as he was clearly unaware since a few hours before the announcement he tried to create some activity with sticky threads on c/android.
And even if the two made the decision together, again false by the words of the community creator himself, that doesn't make it any more legitimate, which is why I'm calling this "oh but it's two instead of one" argument grasping at straws.
You mean his statement, the community creator explicitly said himself that it was his decision alone. Whether it was in response to me or not doesn't matter. Unless you're saying he lied. It's just too convenient to say "oh but he was just angry, he certainly didn't mean it". It's consistent with the forced move itself.
I'm still calling your astroturf and your doubling-down on the same thread soft-bullying as the immediate effect it had was to trigger the mod's imposter syndrome and feel not official enough, but it doesn't matter what I call it and you obviously don't like the words bullying or even soft-bullying, as whether they decide to fall victim of imposter syndrome or not is their right and it ultimately doesn't matter. That's the territory of "why".
What matters here is the "what". And what happened is one mod (or two since you seem to suggest that two instead of one makes things much less ugly) forcibly closed a community on lemmy.world.
it still stands that 1- your moderator forced a community to close, 2- you're still lying about popular support, 3- you seem to suggest that 400 upvotes make your forced move legitimate, 4- you're for the second time suggesting that lemmy.world admins are Spez-like since they are reopening the community which you shamelessly closed and they already removed your mods, and 5- you're accusing me of trying to "take control" when you're the one who in fact achieved that, in fact you're clearly projecting.
Relating to the last point, yes I volunteered and I still volunteer to reopen c/android, but since you can't think of any other motive than power I will also promise to leave (or not even join if I'm not needed) after recruiting a team of mods to keep c/android running again.
Unlike you, I don't parrot "moderator discretion" or "look 400 guys upvoted us after two weeks of forcing that community to close and stickying a thread where the most likely ones to vote anyway are those in support of the move", and unlike you I do not consider moderator status to be some power status, but apparently you do since you immediately assumed that I "wanted" to take control of the community. That's false, I wanted to reopen a community that you shamelessly unilaterally closed. Whether the reopening is done by me or someone else doesn't matter.
I'm simply correcting someone, who's obviously involved in this Reddit power move, who to this day instead of reading the room in this comment section, still keeps spreading the lie that it was a popular move since their sticky thread was "widely upvoted" (obviously false) while omitting 1- the forced nature of the move, 2- that members weren't given any other choice, 3- the ones likely to vote anyway are those who are in favor since members weren't told that they could change anything by downvoting, and indeed in the one week and a half of the forces closure only about 400 members unsubscribed which coincides with the number of upvotes he's seemingly proud of (as it is the second time he brings this argument up), and finally 4- all the critical comments with thousands of upvotes that he deleted on r/android.
Ah, so this is the sticking point. You know one (or multiple) of the moderators of the new community when they modded on Reddit and they are bad mods?
If this is true, lead with this and forget all the other stuff. This is the only thing that matters.
Are you serious? The guy tried for the second time to use upvotes, and obviously lied since that is clearly not "widely upvoted", of a forced sticky thread to justify a forced move, so I'm merely calling him out on deleting r/android comments that were critical of their move to make a duplicate community since he's the one to suggest that upvotes matter.
I don't even know the mod, the comments were not deleted when they were made so I didn't care that day. It is only after the forced closure that I went again to the thread where r/Android members called the mods out on their move to create a duplicate community and found that the highly upvotes ones, including mine (had more than 400 upvotes, since jeff is again suggesting that 400 is enough to call something "widely upvoted") were all deleted.
It's 453 upvotes and 86 downvotes. I wouldn't personally consider 84% support pathetic.
You may also notice that both mods supported the move (as both Mike and Devgard joined [email protected]).
I didn't even exaggerate, you really obsess over that upvote count. How is that even considered "widely upvoted" please when you needed almost two weeks and forcibly closing down the community to achieve that pathetic number?
Anyone can be a moderator. Only a small handful of people can be good moderators. And a small handful of those good moderators act selflessly for the benefit of communities instead of making the communities their pet.
I get the fragmentation thing, but it's Lemmy. Fragmentation is kind of the point. I think closing the community, while something the creators can freely choose to do (as long as the instance owner is okay with it), it's not a very democratic decision. Make the other instance better and give users the right to choose.
Thank you for that!
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