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A movie producer I worked with in my time in the industry had done a movie with Segal in which Segal was to shoot a gun. Segal said he would only use a very specifically modified AR15. The production purchased the AR with all of the upgrades Segal requested. Segal fired it one time, said it was too loud and had too much kickback and he wanted to use a prop instead.
He said an AR-15 had too much recoil? Is he made of tissue paper, or did they mod it to fire artillery shells? Christ, one of the demos they did for us at our first live fire in basic training was having one of our fellow soldiers hold an M-16 stock UP TO HIS NUTS and fire it downrange to show just how little recoil they had. I'm not kidding, I personally witnessed this. I have also put at least 20,000 rounds through M-16's and AR-15's in my life. They don't kick. Seagal is a pussy.
It's why they're in common use and one of the best things for home defense. Basically anyone can handle one
Edit: ITT... people who think a shotgun with birdshot isn't going through walls and is easier to use than a AR. In close distances, birdshot is a slug and will %100 go through walls.
https://youtu.be/j3BlRPtCj2E?feature=shared
Stop being stupid... unless you're shooting 22lr, it's going through multiple walls.
I wouldn't use an AR for home defense because I'm not interested in shooting through 4 walls and killing my neighbors kid by accident.
I believe bird shot is enough of a deterrent for home defense and requires significantly less precision in a tense situation.
Have you ever shot a gun before? Drywall isn't stopping shit. Handgun rounds go through walls easily.
You shot to kill not wound, and a shotgun isn't easier to use than an AR, on top of that birdshot is not fanning out at 10' in your home... it's basically a slug at that distance and will %100 go through drywall.
You've been reading some really FUDD shit if you believe anything you typed up.
Edit: lol at people upvoting that complete nonsense comment to this one. Please for the love of Cthulhu people don't buy a shotgun and leave it in your home for home defense and do not load it with fucking birdshot...get a handgun if you're afraid of an AR.
So you understand how birdshot is different than a FMJ? A pellet isn't going through 3 walls, a FMJ is. There is massively more penetration and lethality after penetration. Have you ever shot a gun?
And yes a shotgun is much easier to use, are you crazy? You need much much much less accuracy. You literally can just aim down a hallway and get great coverage.
https://youtu.be/H6clay9pFaw?feature=shared
Holy fuck just stop ... Birdshot as I have explained does not fan out. Stop watching cowboy movies. I own multiple shotguns in multiple different gauges and have my own range. I've been shooting probably longer than you have been alive. You clearly have never shot a shotgun and telling me you get great coverage down a hallway is complete nonsense, birdshot will not fan out down a hallway. The recoil and weight of a shotgun removes it as a good defense weapon for basically everyone but people who are physically strong. It's a terrible home defense gun.
Did you all learn everything about firearms from Hollywood?
Nope, use shotguns and understand how different chokes can impact spread.
With no choke I would expect a 2 inch spread at 10 feet. 2 inches is a lot of grace in a life or death situation.
Yes it has a lot of recoil, but in reality you're not getting into a shoot out. You're shooting once, maybe twice, before the encounter is over or into a scuffle.
They are not creating this massive wall of birdshot that you are claiming. Doesn't matter what fucking chokes you use.
Most people have no clue about chokes and there is not a single one giving you a massive wall of pellets at 10'.
ROFL no just no...there is a reason LEOs have gone from revolvers to double stack handguns....fire fights can last a lot longer than the bullets do and you want to be the last person with them. You %100 should not be skuffling with someone trying to kill you in your home with rounds still in the firearm you are using.
The amount of just wrong and ignorance in this thread is astonishing.
I said 2 inches, not a massive wall.
Again, I said 2 inches, not a massive wall...
You're not getting into a shoot out. Most people run when guns start going off. Also, a home owner may have the gun sitting there untouched for months. A revolver allows you to just pull the trigger again on a misfire instead of having to clear the chamber, which uses both hands.
Oh I agree. And people misrepresenting what's being said isn't helping either.
You suggested shotguns wiith birdshot because of the spread and ease to use and lack of penetration through walls. Then suggested chokes...you clearly thought that at 10' in a home you'd get a nice wide spray.
Why do you have multiple fire extinguishers in your home? You're not fighting fires? Why wear your seatbelt, your just going to the corner for a drink?... that's the dumbest logic ever, home invasions with armed intruders do exist and do happen. You prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Why are revolvers being brought into this now, they're shit for self defense for most people, they kick like mules and at best have 8 shots, most 6...
Nothing I have said is being misrepresented. You and the rest have stated multiple things:
Shotguns with birdshot don't go through walls
Shotguns are easy to use
ARs are terrible for home defense because they will go through walls
Those are things being presented by the people in this thread. All of which I have refuted with video evidence of the bullshit. Yet it continues to get argued by the clearly naive and ignorant bunch on lemmy.
I never suggested chokes, I said 2 inches WITHOUT a choke. I never suggested one, are you even reading what I write or just glossing over it and making assumptions?
Listen man, in your first paragraph you not only misrepresented what I said but then go on to claim to know my thoughts lol. I never said there would be a crazy wide spray, you're just making up stuff and/or straight lying while making wild assumptions.
You're non-stop arguing in bad faith, this is a waste of my time and I'm starting to think you're just a troll. There sure are idiots in here though, you're right about that. Take care bud.
That's literally you suggesting chokes will magically make the spread have great coverage in a short distance firefight with a shotgun. Just stop.
I'm not the one misrepresenting shit. I'm just calling out all the bullshit here on lemmy that potentially will get someone hurt from all you arm chair kids who probably got most of their knowledge on firearms from CoD and Hollywood. I've provided actual video proof you and the other commenters are wrong, yet you and a few others continue to spout nonsense. So again just stop. You're going to get someone hurt who reads this FUDD shit.
Hey it's gotta go through some fiberglass, glued-together wood chips, and plastic siding too. They just need a few layers of wet tissue paper on there as well and they'll be golden.
Don't forget the wallpaper, it'll totally stop the fanned out pellets, they're like BBs, they're just gonna sting when they hit the inturder...lol