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A clear victory for the free fediverse: Meta now says integrating with ActivityPub is "a long way out" (privacy.thenexus.today)
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When Meta launched their new Twitter competitor Threads on July 5, they said that it would be compatible with the ActivityPub protocol, Mastodon, and all the other decentralized social networks in the fediverse "soon".

But on July 14, @alexeheath of the Verge reported that Meta's saying ActivityPub integration's "a long way out". Hey wait a second. Make up your mind already!

From the perspective of the "free fediverse" that's not welcoming Meta, the new positioning that ActivityPub integration is "a long way out" is encouraging. OK, it's not as good as "when hell freezes over," but it's a heckuva lot better than "soon." In fact, I'd go so far as to say "a long way out" is a clear victory for the free fediverse's cause.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yep. Federation could conceivably respond to the EU's requirement for interoperability -- and they could do it in a way that puts a lot of barriers to people actually moving, so works well for them. Of course the EU would say that didn't meet the requirement, which would lead to a multi-year legal battle and eventually Meta would probably pay a billion dollar fine (as they routinely do -- it's just a cost of doing business) and promise to remove the barriers (which they wouldn't, and then there would be another multi-year legal battle).

But none of that works if the EU won't allow Threads for some other reason!

Still, my guess is that they'll figure out a way around the EU's objections to Threads ... we shall see ...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imagine of the EU mandated all social networks to be interoperable..

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Like "standard phone calls have always been interoperable" ?

Like "batteries should be replaceable" ?

Or "documents file formats should be open" ?

ActivityPub should probably become a login standard, somehow as standard as SAML. Any social network should propose to login with AP, just like any social let you use email or phone number to register.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yes all of those. I think Cory Doctorow calls it crecom or something like that

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Still, my guess is that they’ll figure out a way around the EU’s objections to Threads

I think it's more likely that they'll hope demand is high enough that the EU is forced to let them in.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I think we're in violent agreement here: getting the EU to drop their objections is certainly one way around them! So yeah, they'll probably try to use the demand for Threads to push back on the DMA's anti-trust-ish provisions (which as I understand is the current blockage). And then they'll try to use their ActivityPub integration to push back on the interoperability requirements, no doubt characterizing them as unrealistic. It's predictable but still irritating.