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Jordanlund is almost as big a piece of shit as LyingSquid.
"And despite his politics, he struggles to find sympathy or kinship with the Black Lives Matter marchers who occasionally disrupt his commute home to protest police violence."
This is some borderline incel bullshit here.
I'm sure there is nothing else to the 'I lost my job because somebody didn't like having to talk to a guy' thing either.
That’s kind of what I meant by the incel thing. To be it reads like “I was talking to coworkers in a terribly sexist and misogynistic manner and I got fired. That’s how a TOP 1% MAN speaks, so obviously I got fired because someone doesn’t like having to talk to a man, not because I’m a piece of shit with no self-awareness.”
The whole bit about sympathizing with the BLM protesters but wishing they would protest in places where cops have actually shot people instead of in his city because it inconvenienced him screams that he’s unaware of both his privilege and his power, which only reinforces the whole lack of self-awareness thing.
You ever read one thing about someone, and all of a sudden, everything about them comes into focus and makes sense?
This isn’t satire? It reads as satire…
I'm having trouble believing an article titled "White Progressive Discovers Portland's Unwanted Reputation" isn't satire.
Incredible lol, built to be a lemmy.world mod. Liberal final boss material. Holy shit.
If that's actually him I'll make that my profile picture and start posting in his subs more.
So their profile picture used to be a picture similar to that. And now theirs is a picture of I voted in Oregon...
Ahahahhaha how have I never seen this before?
Dude’s got the stereotypical incel attitude and the look. Built for modding.
Oh wow
Wait, what? FlyingSquid seems fine. In the only drama I saw involving them, it seemed to me like they were in the right. I asked someone who was all heated up about what a POS they were for some details or examples, and literally all they could come up with was a single un-called for message FlyingSquid sent to one user months ago, which for a full-time moderator means they're way ahead of the curve.
Edit: Maybe I should ask for examples, what did FlyingSquid do?
FlyingSquid has a tendency to threaten moderator action in response to arguments they're heavily involved in, which often comes off as a last-ditch effort to 'win'.
Well, that's not ideal. Have they actually taken action on it, though? If it's just getting heated in an argument, that definitely seems not as bad as handing out bans for misspelling "Palestinian" or talking about jury nullification.
I got a three day temp ban after providing examples and further context disproving their arguments.
Usually I think they aren't that bad, but they do sometimes lose their cool on sensitive subjects.
You're talking about the exchange featuring your statements "The victim gave consent (as far as a 12-year old can do that of course). She in fact started self-harming because he got convicted and still does not regret or feel bad about the encounter." and "According to the case notes, the attraction was mutual. He did not have to coerce her, by her own statements. It's why he wasn't convicted of grooming. Seriously, do at least a modicum of research." Right? That's the only time I see that anyone moderated you. Also, it wasn't FlyingSquid that gave you that ban. They were just arguing with you, and then I think someone else banned you for your statements.
Here's what Wikipedia says about Steven van de Velde:
This is, to me, yet another example of FlyingSquid doing absolutely nothing wrong, and then people spreading rumors about how they're terrible.
Hmm, I must have misread the modlog then. I thought I swore I got a message from them stating I was banned.
Just to clarify (without getting into it any further), that guy was convicted for rape (never disputed that) but explicitly cleared of the grooming charge, because there was nothing in their exchanged messages that suggested grooming at all. The broader argument was that this guy is definitely a total fucking idiot who should have known so much better, but he didn't have the characteristics of some precalculating serial child rapist or something. The case details is also why he was convicted of a lesser charge in the Netherlands. He took all the necessary steps (therapy, avoiding solo contact with kids despite being cleared by therapists, etc...) to avoid this from happening again. I challenged his "irredeemability" that was present in that thread, which is a very accepted view in the Netherlands but not so abroad. Possibly because whilst Dutch sources have a lot of the details of the case, the English sources are much less in-depth.
I don't really have any other grievances against FS btw. They can be a bit headstrong and combative at times, but I don't know much else about them.
For what it's worth, I don't think you should receive a temp ban for those statements. I think you are wrong, but I don't think we need to remove every wrong statement from the comments to keep them as "correct" comments only. I think people can say things, and we can just all talk to each other, and it's okay. There are some things that I think should be banned from the comments: Misrepresenting why you are saying what you're saying, or deliberately egging on a confrontation, or using multiple accounts to create a false consensus. But almost any real individual who's just saying what they think and why, I think is okay.
The point that I'm making about FlyingSquid is that the way you told the story was that you argued with them, you were right and they were wrong and you demonstrated that with evidence, and then they banned you. Then, looking into the facts, nothing remotely similar to that happened in any respect. That's the pattern I've consistently seen about people who are critical of FlyingSquid's moderation. I don't know why that is, although I have a theory that because they are generally on point about moderating certain types of toxic individuals, there's a whisper campaign by certain toxic individuals trying to paint them as some particular type of bad moderator even if the facts don't support it.
It's not even all that hard to misconstrue some event that happened into some huge malicious deal that it isn't, as you just discovered.
Yes, absolutely. If you support all your claims with good sources, maintain a civil demeanour, and clearly hold the superior argument he will go through your entire history to find something, anything, to justify action no matter how irrelevant or ancient the reason.
Can you give an example?
If you're that interested just go through his comment history. He's not shy about doing the same in his comments. Usually it is just a thinly veiled threat.
Edit: Found a good example
What you're saying sounds to me a bit like one can break community rules if mods won't notice right away. If community rules were broken, I don't think it matters much if it happened right now or earlier. Besides, I would also expect that someone breaking the rules will not argue in good faith.
So, to me this example doesn't prove what you imply.
Nah, you assume the unreported 'transgressions' were valid to begin with despite the fact he outright admits he went digging for something. It's obviously looking for an excuse to get back at someone. Regardless, even the appearance of childish behaviour by mods taints their community and it is disappointing how desperate people are to excuse someone with such a glaringly apparent pattern of abuse.
That's not really handing out a ban, though. That was my question on "taking action" about it. Talking in comments is different.
I'm curious to see if this is in response to him "losing" the argument, or if it's in response to someone being personally hostile to him, and him pointing out that if they're doing that to other people they may get moderated for it. Most of what I've been seeing that is summarized as the first thing is actually the second thing.
I'm not sure if they actually have. I know they've publicly called people out for reports which isn't great, and have made threats based on reporting content multiple times, something that isn't possible in lemmy, the content in question at the time was spam.
Yeah, that's the one un-called for message I talked about. It's not ideal but everyone swears there are all these examples of FlyingSquid doing much worse, and then if I ask for examples, it's either that one message, backpedaling from the earlier claims, or else it's something that when I look at it is a wild mischaracterization of something perfectly reasonable.
I’ve seen FS straight up lie when banning people, making up excuses etc. For a period they even followed me around commenting on nearly everything I did trying to harass me until I called him out and the “coincidental” replies magically stopped.
FS is worse than JL from every interaction I’ve had with eirher. JL I can see having a bit of common sense and maturity.
Can you show me some examples?
Guy never admits he's wrong, ever. And I love the fact that he's married with a kid and seems to be online 24/7.
And they're arguably wrong a LOT. Not only that but everything is always black and white with them, there is no grey area or different perspectives possible.
As a rule, strong feelings about issues do not emerge from deep understanding.
I think he's partially disabled or something, which is how he has so much free time. I feel like he's said something like that, or that he has some kind of chronic condition.
Which is no excuse for having shit netizen behavior.
Yeah. I haven't seen FS abuse his power, but man he will just be clearly in the wrong side of an argument and refuse to admit it. Not somebody I enjoy having a debate with, but he keeps his personal disagreements separate from his mod role, and I respect that.
Yeah, my interactions with FlyingSquid have been fine, but then again, I've never interacted with them in their mod role.
I'm against the genocide in Palestine, and sometimes comment that way.
From what I've seen FlyingSquid tends to be quite fair when moderating, doesn't abuse the mod tools and is quite respectful and civil outside of the mod role. On occasion I've had disagreements and civil arguments with squid, and not once has the hammer been used as a conversation-ending argument.
Jordan however....
I've asked people over and over for a single example of FlyingSquid doing this. Only one person has responded, and that was with an "example" where neither the argument with FlyingSquid nor FlyingSquid being the one that banned them was truthful. This is one of the reasons I think this is a deliberate attempt to start destructive rumors about him.
Edit: Someone else has now given an example. They had said that someone was, among other things, a "fucking shitwit," "self righteous piece of subhuman filth," "a fucking idiot," "fucking brain dead," "your argument is stupid and you deserve what the republicans are gonna do to you," and that they "hope it’s painful and prolonged." Then they got a three day ban, and then said the ban was a way for FlyingSquid to wield his mod powers to "win" the argument against their clearly superior position.
In my experience FlyingSquid tends to participate in the stupid and toxic aspects of the communities he's policing but doesn't stoop to abusing the power, certainly not to the extent of others I've seen. i.e. I think he could do more positive actions to build a good community but he doesn't use as many negative actions to actively harm the community.
Lemmy.world is kinda lame in general though, especially when it comes to politics. Very narrow minded and like a bunch of piranhas when it comes to suppressing dissent. If you are easing into lemmy from Reddit you'll feel right at home there.
They definitely will abuse it randomly. I know they're going through lots of shit but damn they have a very hair trigger
Do you have an example of this?