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[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

The Snowden leaks came out when Obama was president. Obama was the one who said, "The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide". The republicans and democrats are the same fucking people.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 1 points 4 hours ago

The republicans and democrats are the same fucking people.

In many cases, literally. From Michael Bloomberg and Liz Cheney to Donald Trump and Joe Manchin, the number of cross-overs and turn-coats who end up getting into leadership in their opponent's parties is absolutely crazy. The Nixonian Southern Strategy did one thing brilliantly. It completely crossed the wires of the partisan voter for three generations to the benefit of the corporate oligarchs who get to play both ends against the middle.

[–] MJKee9 13 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Only if you look at it in the most general, limited, pov. Are they the same people on corporate greed? Not all, but mostly yes. Are they the same people on encryption? Yes. Are they the same on human rights? Absolutely fucking not. If the only thing important for you is encryption, voting isn't going to change the government's policy decisions. However, if things other than encryption and corporate greed are important, then voting for a Republican is voting against your interests. History is filled with people who can't see past their own fucking biases and look out for the greater interest..... So you have a lot of historical company.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil -1 points 4 hours ago

Are they the same on human rights? Absolutely fucking not.

The outcome of the 2024 election, according to the liberal pundits, was that trans-rights and Palestinian liberties cost Harris the election.