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[–] Lauchs 10 points 4 days ago (4 children)

In a culture where almost everyone is wearing clothes made by children working 14 hour days who occasionally burn to death because fire exits would cost too much,, this seems to me, an odd line to draw.

Might just be me but I'm not sure I see much of a difference between slave investor and wearing slave labour.

[–] Lost_My_Mind 59 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I think the difference is, you can CHOOSE not to invest in slave labor. If 100% of the clothes are made by slave labor, what are the other options? Be naked? You'll get arrested, and now by US law, YOU'RE the slave labor.

Whereas nothing is forcing you to invest in slavery.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

But they aren't all made by slave labor. You only have to spend 3-5x as much. Not a problem if you buy %80 less clothes.

[–] Lauchs 3 points 4 days ago

Not 100% of clothes directly benefit slave labour. For the price conscious, there are thrift shops/second hand clothes almost everywhere and ethical clothes available online for a bit more (but generally less than brand name stuff that's expensive and still made by child slaves.)

[–] alquicksilver 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't disagree with you that slave labor is bad regardless of who, what, where, how. I disagree, however, that there's not much difference between purchasing products you need and investing in a business.

Some folks can't afford anything except cheap clothing/household goods from overseas, where they are often made in sweatshops with slave and/or child labor; it's not their fault that they can't afford to purchase ethical products. No one needs to invest in a business, though, so choosing to invest in one that deals in slavery is that investor's fault.

For those of us who can afford ethically-sourced/made items, though, I agree that it's quite similar. I have no excuses other than people are, as a whole, not good to each other. :(

[–] Lauchs 2 points 4 days ago

I fully excuse folks who are really struggling. Though given thrift shops are a dime a dozen, I don't entirely think it's a free pass.

Sorry, this one just bugs me. I absolutely hate that our culture has this huge blind spot to the very real exploitation that so many people engage in but we'll simultaneously get furious about sins that are, in comparison, fairly minor.

Investing in something evil is reprehensible but I put it on about the same realm as buying an expensive slave made product. At least for the investment, maybe it's for your kids or something rather than looking cool.

Really appreciate the reasoned response though!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

Difference is, if you invest in Apple and find out they use slave labor, you are still primarily investing in a phone production industry. Investing in prison labor is just that, slave labor. A phone company can eventually stop using slave labor, but prison labor is always slave labor.

[–] Grimy 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Huge difference between not being able to afford the right thing, and being able to afford the right thing and instead investing in the really bad thing.

Kind of like how I have to gas up but I would never invest in the oil industry.

[–] Lauchs 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

But there are non slave alternatives all over. For the price conscious, there are thrift shops, facebook marketplace etc. Otherwise, there's tons of ethical clothing available online and if you live in a city, probably in some stores near You.

[–] Grimy 3 points 4 days ago

I agree and I think there isn't much of an effort being made, but investing in it seems like it's making an effort in the wrong direction.