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[–] bassomitron 41 points 1 week ago (3 children)

They don't entirely, though. In fact, much of what the SCOTUS has struck down has been them saying Congress needs to do their job and write laws to do what they want the laws to do, versus having the SCOTUS legislate from the bench. Don't get me wrong, this SCOTUS is fucking awful, but there's some slight truth to some of what they've said on some of their rulings. For example, Roe v Wade could've easily become a national law, but Congress won't do it.

[–] SupraMario 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's bad when even RBG was saying roe shouldn't have been used as law. The dems have had a ton of times to solidify it into law via the proper channels but won't because it gets votes.

[–] Serinus 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Have they, though?

It wasn't because it gets votes, but because it loses votes. People will strongly object to one thing a hell of a lot faster than they'll give you credit for doing anything. Look at Biden's entire administration. We handled post-covid inflation* better than any other developed nation, but he didn't get credit for the 90% he fixed. He got shit on for the 10% left to go.

* And I'd argue a good chunk of that inflation was the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP), the bipartisan bill Trump signed into law while rejecting the oversight the Dems wanted. That was the biggest corporate giveaway in our nation's history. Literally just giving public money to private corporations. A step far beyond "privatize profits, socialize losses".

Dems believed, reasonably, that Roe was settled and wasn't in imminent danger. Holding a vote on that just pushes people away. Of course, in hindsight, they should have done it anyway. But as you can tell from this past election, and all the states that went red while passing women's rights legislation, having the issue out there is not getting them votes.

[–] SupraMario 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There is probably 1% of dems who are pro-life. The mass majority is pro-choice. This is like saying people who vote repubs are anti-gun. Dems have had a ton of chances to solidify it into law, which is way harder to remove.

[–] PugJesus 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There is probably 1% of dems who are pro-life.

Don't become a betting man

[–] SupraMario 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

So...3%...still higher than I expected

[–] PugJesus 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

12% pro-life in 2024. 34% in 2012.

[–] SupraMario 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Im reading this one.

Democrats' Views on Legality of Abortion, 1975-2024

Which has abortion illegal as 3%.

[–] PugJesus 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Democrats' Self-ID on Abortion, 1995-2024

12% pro-life in 2024. 34% in 2012.

Going by

Democrats' Views on Legality of Abortion, 1975-2024

It's 61% pro-choice, 31% limited abortion, 3% totally illegal in 2024

It's 40% pro-choice, 41% limited abortion, 13% totally illegal in 2012

Compare that to

Republicans' Views on Legality of Abortion, 1975-2024

12% pro-choice, 64% limited abortion, 23% totally illegal in 2024

9% pro-choice, 61% limited abortion, 28% totally illegal in 2012

Unless we're going to count the GOP both now and then as a pro-choice party, the fact is that the Dems being majority pro-choice is a recent phenomenon.

[–] SupraMario 1 points 1 week ago

True, I just see pro-life people as all forms as illegal. Where as limited to me is still pro-choice because that phrasing could mean people who agree that 3rd trimester shouldn't be allowed type of opinion, as they do in most of the EU.

[–] HailSeitan 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This only sounds reasonable until you think about it for 2 seconds. Do you really want the Senate and Congress to have to learn about and try to legislate the details of chemistry, medicine, finance, engineering, etc, rather than delegating figuring out the details of tasks like “make the food safe” or “make the water clean” to scientists and other experts at agencies?

[–] bassomitron 9 points 1 week ago

Notice how I emphasized "some" twice in my comment. It wasn't a catch-all statement.

[–] someguy3 3 points 1 week ago

Roe v Wade would take a super majority and Dems had that for 4 months in the last 44+ years. Obama used that to get the ACA through. Not easy at all.