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It's fine to be offended that they called you propagandised, but that doesn't make it less offensive to immediately say the same thing back to them. You are both insulting each other, it's not helping the Lemmygrad situation.
There is no "lemmygrad situation", it's gaslighting lemmy by liberals getting wind in the sails with reddit refugees and attacking us all the time. note this basically didn't happen at all before, they just blocked us and maybe badmouthed in their dens, i don't care, i;m not going there. The arguments we had on lemmy were heated but not resembling current offensive.
I appreciate the advice, but I have gotten the same talk from Muad before. This is me being patient and not slinging shit!
I'm specifically trying to get to the meat of the argument without wasting a lot of time effort-posting primary source essays no one will read.
I think it's worthwhile to show the disparity between the liberal worship of polite debate and their actual actions.
Also I can sling shit way harder and faster. I'd just get banned, and nutomic and Dessalines don't need that headache! :D
I'm not speaking about you specifically, I have no idea who you are. I'm talking about lemmygrad in general. Just like the person you were responding to was talking about. He asked "what did lemmygrad.ml do?" And I'm clarifying that.
It's not that lemmygrad.ml is simply "communist."
This dude is sealioning you, block and move one.
They're not sealioning, they're responding to a bunch of strong, reasonably insulting allegations. Maybe not responding gracefully, but they're not sealioning.
In fact, I don't even think it's possible for one reply to be sealioning, the whole point is that it's repetitive harassment (as stated in the wiki link you posted). That's why the original comic strip that defined it has so many panels.
There's a thread of replies arguing on the semantics of communism, name-dropping stuff like Krause and Nomad (willfully ignoring the fact that FaceDeer's issue is about LemmyGrad and not communism), and repeating "you've chosen to engage with me" while this is very obviously the other way around.
Facedeer started the conversation, while loudly proclaiming that he doesn't want to. What's wrong with pointing out that he's the one engaging?
Homie admits that he doesn't know anything about communism, but says his issue is with how Lemmygrad is not communist. Their issue is with ML communism.
Nope. I don't care whether they're communist or not, they're apologists for authoritarians. The communism thing is just an excuse they dress that up in.
You said previously:
I was challenging your implied assertion that LG isn't communist, or that currently existing socialist countries aren't communist.
(For clarity, I'm using the terms "socialist", "communist" and "Marxist-leninist" mostly interchangeably. That tends to be the practice in ML spaces, I'm happy to expand on that if it's helpful).
It doesn't seem like you've got the knowledge base to argue whether or not a country like China or the DPRK is or isn't socialist. If you want to argue that they're bad because they're authoritarian, that's fine by me.
Can you help me understand what you mean by "authoritarian" and how it doesn't apply to Western/liberal democracies?
It's my understanding that every state uses authority to force some level of compliance at some expense to personal freedom (i.e. giving me a ticket for making graffiti is authoritarian).
I don't agree that every state's use of authority is a bad thing.
Seems ironic in a thread where someone's looking for minimally-blocked instances.
But on the plus side, perhaps it illustrates the value of blocking.
It's not sealioning to respond to someone who's engaging me by questioning their arguments.
I'm not basing my statement off of any experience with Marxism-leninism. I'm basing it off of my experience with lemmygrad posters here on Lemmy. For example, this thread about the Tienanmen Square anniversary. I don't particularly care about the specific political ideologies on display.