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A YouGov poll revealed that 77% of Germans support banning social media for those under 16, similar to a new Australian law.

The survey found that 82% believe social media harms young people, citing harmful content and addiction.

In Australia, the law fines platforms up to AUD 49.5 million (€30.5M) for allowing under-16s to create accounts, with enforcement trials set before implementation next year. Critics

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[–] Roflmasterbigpimp 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (18 children)

Urgh. This is a tough one. Social media has been a part of asymmetric warfare for at least the past ten years, and I don’t want my kids to be bombarded with propaganda from Russian and Chinese-funded far-right groups like the AfD.

At the same time, I understand how important it is for kids to explore the internet on their own.

If I had the choice, I would ban TikTok and Instagram.

But if that’s not possible – then honestly, ban everything. I will then work something out with my kids myself.

[–] raspberriesareyummy 7 points 2 months ago (15 children)

At the same time, I understand how important it is for kids to explore the internet on their own.

No more though. It's more important that they spend time at the fresh air & play. The internet has become pretty useless outside of wikipedia & social media, and social media has become pretty toxic outside of a few spots (like we can hopefully keep lemmy).

  • everything is ridden with ads
  • news websites locked behind paywalls
  • news websites reporting agenda-driven propaganda
  • major email providers auto-classify emails from smaller providers as spam (despite correct SPF entries)
  • every good service that is not decentralized, eventually gets hit by enshittification due reap profits

I would absolutely support a 100% social media ban for all centralized networks (corporation controlled). Because they are used not only to damage the brains of children, but those of adults as well (see Eastern German elections). Only federated chat systems / social media should be allowed. But that's where our fascist overlords have a conflict of interest - they desperately want to see everything we communicate - and chat control (literally, fuck you EU) is not possible in federated networks.

[–] douglasg14b 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It most definitely is possible in federated networks to be clear.

Federated networks are extremely vulnerable to bots. And "organic" online narrative is easily manipulated with bots and bot driven content.

We see this in centralized platforms like Reddit which have mature and centralized bot detection and control mechanisms which are largely ineffective in an ideal scenario for them to be the most effective.

The only saving grace for federated services right now is that they are simply far too small to be worth the time and money to manipulate narratives on. The user bases are infinitesimal in comparison to mainstream social media.

This changes if their popularity skyrockets. The only thing it takes to manipulate opinions and narrative is money and a vulnerable target. The fediverse is largely a vulnerable target and current mega corporations have more than enough money to do what they need done a million times over.

[–] raspberriesareyummy 2 points 2 months ago

You misread my comment. I do agree that manipulation is possible in federated systems. What's not possible is "chat control" / spying on individual communication on a large scale.

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