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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Literally against their rules. Countries are not eligible if they are fighting an active war.

[–] Serinus 18 points 1 month ago

Theoretically, the idea would be that the joining of NATO would be part of ending the war. NATO could allow it if they wanted to.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

and literally wouldn't happen either, seeing how every member has to approve, including turkey and hungary.

[–] whotookkarl 7 points 1 month ago

Special military operation, the aggressor denies it is a war or invasion, but I'm not sure how that affects NATO enrollment.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Rules cab be broken if it's for the better of everyone involved.

Russia doesn't count, Russia can go fuck itself

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I assume this is "the Trump plan" so he'll say agree to it or he takes the US and goes home.

[–] saltesc 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

NATO would allow the US to go home; it's more than strong enough. Though the US power would certainly be missed, especially since it was partly their idea to have friends against common enemies and stay safe.

The rules exist for very good reasons and are the cornerstones of what ensures NATO is a peace-keeping.defenaive pact, not a biased empirical-style alliance. Also, keep in mind that all countries of NATO are free to involve themselves in the Ukrainian War, they just cannot do so under the NATO banner. And if their homelands are attacked in retaliation, NATO will be less oblige as they fundamentally are anti-aggressor.

If Trump left NATO, the US actions will be remembered and it's unlikely they'd get back in with the same powers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Without the agreement of the US a lot of the weapon systems NATO members have cannot be used. That's the downside of using common components and platforms throughout the alliance.

[–] chronicledmonocle 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's literally the opposite purpose of having common munitions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah. We've learnt a lot from how countries have acted when we've tried giving weapons and munitions to Ukraine the last few years.

The Swedish Gripen airplanes are still not in Ukraine. It's not due to Sweden or Ukraine ...

[–] Womble 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The weapons "cant be used" in the diplomatic sense, it not like the bombs phone up the pentegon to ask permission to be used. If we're talking about the US ripping up all its commitments I think other countries might be less inclined to pay attention to those.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

... which would cause Trump to cancel trade most certainly. I'm a citizen of a European Nato member and I don't believe we can take that risk.

[–] Womble 3 points 1 month ago

Probably yes, but if its at the point of European NATO having to fight directly that's likely a second order consideration.

[–] scarabic 1 points 1 month ago

Did you read the article?