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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

the vegan society definition makes no mention of consent.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That could be! Despite that, a big part of minimizing harm is consent!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

not necessarily

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Correct!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I always am

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I found something similar to our vegan debate! Polution!

Its ever increasing year over year, but efforts to reduce pollution have reduced the rate of increase.

Would you argue that since pollution increases year over year that we should abandon our current efforts as its clear they aren't working?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

we should do things that are effective at tackling our problems. your question is too broad to answer with any more specificity.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I dont need specifics because the proof is already there that whatever is being done now isnt working. Just like you argue that efforts to reduce animal consumption are proven futile by the increase in animal consumption year over year.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think you're mixing up the means with the end. if your goal is to reduce animal product production, you need to go where animal products are produced and stop it. if your goal is to reduce pollution, go to where pollution is produced, and stop it. but simply stopping consumption, on an individual basis, isn't going to do it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Its just as unrealistic that one person affects global pollution as much as it is unrealistic that one person go and personally stop the pollution at the source, isnt it?

It seems like you are arguing noone should do either direct or indirect action, since neither is feasible on an individual basis.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Its just as unrealistic that one person affects global pollution as much as it is unrealistic that one person go and personally stop the pollution at the source, isnt it?

no, one person can shut down a pipeline. it's just a valve you can turn off.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You know thats absurd or else people would be doing it. Its not just a valve, and its not out in the open with no protections. My cousin used to guard the Alaskan pipeline. How do you suppose I go and affect that without getting shot?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

people do it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Its less likely than people choosing not to eat meat.

I'm not sure what sort of great effect you expect a single person to have attempting to either steal all the worlds animals and hide them or to destroy oil infrastructure.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

it would be more effective than buying beans and hoping .