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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

It's more like the Republicans promise the moon even if they intend to shove the sun up your ass, while the Dems only promise what they think that they can accomplish, and often even that gets trampled by Republicans willing to break the government just to keep the Dems from doing anything.

The last time we had a Democrat who made big promises and ran on a campaign of hope and progress, we had the largest voter turnout ever recorded in the history of the country at that time. And then an even larger turnout for his second election. Cut to 2020, and we elected the VP of that guy largely on his relation to that former President and because he wasn't the other guy, and in this past election we saw several million less voters than 2020 with notable drops in support in swing states amongst Democrats and unaffiliated voters after right wing politicians voiced their support for Kamala.

There's also the issue to be had with the bias of media in the country and how that affects public perception. I still remember in 2016 when the news channels aired video of Trump's empty podium for an hour instead of Bernie Sanders' speech.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 13 points 2 weeks ago

The time before that when we had a Democrat who made big promises and ran on a campaign of hope and progress he got re-elected three times and they had to make an amendment to stop it from happening again.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

We can't DOOOOOO anything because they're meaner and stronger than we are! Even when they're in the minority!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

and in this past election we saw several million less voters than 2020 with notable drops in support in swing states amongst Democrats and unaffiliated voters after right wing politicians voiced their support for Kamala.

to be clear, this was most likely a fluke of the post covid times, this was a global phenomenon. Had covid not happened, there is a very high likelihood that kamala would've won.

[–] finitebanjo 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It might have been the largest turnout at the time, but the largest so far currently is 2020 with 158,427,986 votes, which is almost 30 million more than 2012.

Biden had the biggest turnout and lead of all time.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Did you mean 2020 or 2024? I think you're right that 2020 was the largest turnout ever, and we can only assume why, but the jump from 2004 to 2008 and then 2012 was massive, and the drop from 2020 to 2024 was massive as well. They were all in the figures of tens of millions of voters shifting one way or the other in almost every election from 2008 to 2024 except for Hillary vs. Trump, if I remember correctly.

My point is that Republicans campaign on change and appeal to emotion, and the last time we saw a Democrat campaign on a similar message, we saw some of the largest turnouts in US history. The facts are that the country consistently does better under Democrats than Republicans, but Republicans appeal to emotion in a way that Democrats don't. Biden added, what, 500 million jobs to the economy in the past 4 years? But the majority of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck - even some of those making six-figure salaries - and so the lack of an appeal to their daily struggles disincentivizes them from supporting Democrats. The Republicans promise change, and even if it's a bold-faced lie, people eat it up because the issues they face every day seem to fall upon deaf ears.

[–] finitebanjo 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

yeah sorry typo, the biden statement was the biggest indicator

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

No worries, I figured from the context that that's what you meant.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

I think COVID would be a pretty damn good guess why we had the biggest turnout ever.