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The app automatically installs Bing Visual Search and includes code to decrypt cookies saved in other browsers, Rivera said, and it also brings a "free" geolocation web API to the system.

The developer discovered "many" nasty tricks Microsoft integrated in Bing Wallpapers, which include trying to change the browser's settings and set Edge as the default system browser. If the default browser isn't Edge, the app will open the default browser after some time asking to enable the previously installed Microsoft Bing Search for Chrome extension.

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[–] T00l_shed 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think by virtue of the government breaking up monopolies, it cannot be a free market. I do believe the government should make sure that corporations shouldn't be monopolies however.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Maybe if we're talking in absolutes, but most of the problems I see in our current market are due to cronyism. People generally hate Comcast (or local cable company of choice) and CenturyLink (or local DSL company of choice), yet it's incredibly hard to start an ISP due to local regulations and protectionism. Many people don't like Windows, yet they're "required" for many computing tasks due to agreements with others in the industry.

Price fixing and other types of collusion go against the principle of a free market, and if that goes on unchecked, I think it's appropriate for a government entity to step in. However, if a company is merely the preferred provider of a good or service and they're not colluding or otherwise preventing competition, there's no reason for a government entity to step in. So someone like Comcast should probably be broken up, but someone like Valve should not. Not all "monopolies" should be broken up, only the ones violating the law.

[–] T00l_shed 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The issues with google and windows that you are pointing out are the result of corporate welfare and capitalism without regulation. It's incredibly expensive to start an isp yes. So it should be a nationalized service. MS got to where it was because they buy up competition, and there wasn't anyone who stepping in earlier to stop it.

It’s incredibly expensive to start an isp yes

If there were no issues w/ permitting, it's really not that expensive.

This article mentions some price estimates, which are $60k/mile (for buried cable) or $1-1.25k/house (excluding connection costs to the residences) (this one gives lower estimates). My city has 120 miles of roads and ~10k households, so the cost for my entire city is something like $7-13M, without hookups. Let's also assume it costs $1k/household to connect from the street (a figure I've seen quoted), so that brings the total cost to $17-23M for my city. If we assume the average household signs up for $50/month service, the payoff period is <3 years and average profit is 15%, we end up with 18-25 years to become profitable. I'm guessing this estimate is high since that profit margin probably includes startup costs, but 18-25 years to turn an initial investment into a 15%/year profit generator isn't bad, especially for something with inelastic demand like internet service (I'm guessing it's closer to 10-15 years).

I don't think internet should be a nationalized service, or even a state-provided service, though I do think there's merit to cities owning the physical infrastructure in their cities and allowing companies compete for customers on that network, mostly because them owning infrastructure presents a conflict of interest for direct competitors wanting to run their own lines. Larger government entities can and probably should own the backbone lines, but governments shouldn't directly provide the service because it's generally bad if you only have one option for a given service.

MS got to where it was because they buy up competition

Not really, they got there by directly competing w/ IBM to build marketshare, and then contracting with PC companies to pay Microsoft a fee whether they included Windows or not. The only acquisition Microsoft made around that initial rise was for a company that made a presentation program that eventually became PowerPoint, and that's it until the Dept of Justice filed it's first official anticompetitive impact statement. Microsoft dominated the web browser market in the mid-90s because they were one of the first to market, but they abused this position by locking out competition from internal APIs that enabled better performance (2000 antitrust case).

Almost all of their monopolist behavior was with products they built themselves and locked people into, not products they bought to stop competition, that nonsense didn't start until fairly recently (i.e. Github and Activision/Blizzard). For most of Microsoft's time, their monopolist behavior was simply abuse of their market position to either force companies to pay Microsoft even if they didn't ship Windows (thus pushing them to ship only Windows) or locking out direct competition for their products on their platforms.