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[–] [email protected] 62 points 4 days ago (2 children)

No shit.

Tariffs alone will not revive domestic manufacturing, the demise of which has numerous causes, but two in particular.

1.) Corporations maximising profits. I don't think this needs much of an explanation.

2.) Consumer apathy. By which I mean consumers not giving a shit and consistently buying the cheapest garbage possible without regard for the long term cost. Quality products cost more money up front and ideally have a lower total cost of ownership. But, the average consumer only cares about the price tag on the shelf. The long term costs of this behavior and the related disposable culture are enormous.

Unfortunately, one of those costs are the loss of middle class jobs cranking out products at a plant in Ohio because now the plant is an empty field and the jobs got shipped overseas.

Reminds me of this Jib Jab video from like 2005.

[–] dual_sport_dork 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

2.) Consumer apathy. By which I mean consumers not giving a shit and consistently buying the cheapest garbage possible without regard for the long term cost.

This has some validity, but it is not as simple as just saying, "American consumers are stupid" and having done with it.

Quite a few shoppers, possibly even the majority, are living paycheck-to-paycheck and cannot afford anything other than whatever the cheapest thing on the shelf is. They are barred from making sound long-term purchasing decisions because they don't bring in enough income to afford the superior product, even if they wanted to. It's a case of, buy what they can afford regardless of low quality, or nothing. This is the real life version of the Vimes' Boots Economic Theory.

I will also point out that a huge portion of spending by individual Americans is on perishable commodity goods with largely inelastic demand, the purchasing of which cannot be put off. In plain English, that's food and fuel. I will also point out that these are two categories that are to many decimal places absolutely not tied to Chinese importation in any way whatsoever (in fact, the vast majority of food sold in America is grown and packed in America, and when you take prepared foods into account that number rises to near as makes no difference to 100%) so we automatically know that any supposed "tariff" increases on these products are in reality just a bullshit profit grab by retailers and/or Kraft-Heinz or Nabisco or whoever the fuck.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

There is a link between tariffs and food prices, the vast majority of American agriculture is mechanized and the machines and their parts are mostly manufactured overseas. As are the trucks that account for a huge percentage of the distribution network.

[–] amorpheus 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It's also impossible to know if the 30$ item will actually last twice as long as the 15$ item. What is clear is the price tag.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah, people act like there are all of these high quality substitutes available. There isn't, and they aren't coming back.

Just take a gander at the buy it for life subreddit. Every comment on each post is "Yeah this product was high quality, but since then they have cut x, y and z corner and the quality is now trash". A lot of those products are American made, and now they are crap.

So no, I don't care anymore because it's a crap shoot. Nothing is indicative of quality, not even price anymore. I have dirt cheap Chinesieum items that have far outlasted their USA made counter parts, some already almost by a decade.