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Curious to hear what others think, as this definitely aligns with my own experiences.

The original study is behind a paywall, but I'm trying to see if I can get a hold of the full text somehow. For now, here's the abstract.

Abstract

Objectives: Recent studies report a fluctuating course of attention-deficit/ hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) across development characterized by intermittent periods of remission and recurrence. In the Multimodal Treatment of ADHD (MTA) study, we investigated fluctuating ADHD including clinical expression over time, childhood predictors, and between- and within-person associations with factors hypothesized as relevant to remission and recurrence.

Methods: Children with DSM-5 ADHD, combined type (N = 483), participating in the MTA adult follow-up were assessed 9 times from baseline (mean age = 8.46) to 16-year follow-up (mean age = 25.12). The fluctuating subgroup (63.8% of sample) was compared to other MTA subgroups on variables of interest over time.

Results: The fluctuating subgroup experienced multiple fluctuations over 16 years (mean = 3.58, SD = 1.36) with a 6- to 7-symptom within-person difference between peaks and troughs. Remission periods typically first occurred in adolescence and were associated with higher environmental demands (both between- and within-person), particularly at younger ages. Compared to other groups, the fluctuating subgroup demonstrated moderate clinical severity. In contrast, the stable persistent group (10.8%) was specifically associated with early and lasting risk for mood disorders, substance use problems in adolescence/ young adulthood, low medication utilization, and poorer response to childhood treatment. Protective factors were detected in the recovery group (9.1%; very low parental psychopathology) and the partial remission group (15.6%; higher rates of comorbid anxiety).

Conclusions: In the absence of specific risk or protective factors, individuals with ADHD demonstrated meaningful within-individual fluctuations across development. Clinicians should communicate this expectation and monitor fluctuations to trigger as-needed return to care. During remission periods, individuals with ADHD successfully manage increased demands and responsibilities.

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[–] themeatbridge 78 points 1 month ago (4 children)

It makes sense on the surface. ADHD is a deficiency of self -regulation. External pressures remove the "self" part of the equation. The scary part is the recurrence/remission cycle that makes it seem, to you and to everyone else, like you finally have your shit together.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was just thinking that when I read:

“This might mean that people with ADHD perform their best in more demanding environments (perhaps environments that have stronger immediate consequences, like needing to put food on the table for a family or pay rent monthly). It also might mean that people with ADHD take more on their plate when their symptoms are relatively at bay.”

You mean the condition associated with dopamine regulation is affected by periods with a high density of short term goals with well defined, tangible outcomes?

[–] themeatbridge 13 points 1 month ago

Also, is it possible that environmental factors like high-pressure, work or death situations foster ADHD in adults? Like, high-pressure education, testing, and job markets increase the incidence of pathological emotional disregulation.

[–] 474D 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You fucking people are really making me feel like I have this.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Although most ADHD symptoms are things that neurotypical folks experience sometimes, if it seems like a lot of these are familiar, or describe a lot of your experience, you might consider asking your doctor about it.

The more we understand about ADHD, the more we realize how many undiagnosed people have been struggling with it their entire lives without support.

[–] dai 7 points 1 month ago

Hospitality is this for me, and has been for the last 18~ years.

Really you have a good hour of power where the bulk of customers will want to eat, drink and have a good time - all at once because fuck the kitchen and the bar.

Having to relay information from the kitchen, make sure the bar hasn't lost a docket, dealing with spills, intoxicated patrons, wait people missing a meal / adding the wrong meal to an order plus the general meeting and greeting of walk-ins / bookings.

It's also managing wages - when to knock people off, who to send home early, who costs more, who is unwell or le' tired. Who can't work together, who is bad at pack down or requires micromanagement once the busy period is over.

It's a never ending list of monitoring, putting out fires, managing expectations of patrons and staff - all the while being legitimately nice and keeping your cool.

Oh, and if something gets missed you've just put the next days crew in a bad spot. Didn't prep that aquafaba? Forgot to swap a postmix bag, change a gas bottle, polish cutlery, clear tables or even check the fucking toilets for passed-out patrons?

Rinse and repeat 5+ days a week. And this isn't including how to manage personal relationships, hobbies and general self-care when everyone else is working a 9-5.

At least I'm not bald or grey yet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

This is such a curse to me. I experience it too: I seem to do better when I know what needs to be done and it's like, in-my-face important.

It's easy to fall into a routine of just working, resting just barely enough, and working again, and I might be "less ADHD" but behold, I lost my personality, years have zipped by, and I have become a drone. A husk. The self awareness of this is painful misery.

So realizing this, I should be able to work on my own dreams and make things work for myself right? No. As much as I value my independence, I seem to fall apart when left to my own devices.

It feels so shitty, like I have the soul of a fierce self-thinker but a brain born to just take orders and "be helpful at all costs." It feels so pathetic.