What Microsoft has been saying about Xbox lately strongly implies that this is a Windows handheld designed to solve software and user experience problems with using current Windows handhelds. And signs are pointing toward the next Xbox console coming sooner than the next PlayStation and essentially being a PC running a console version of Windows. Some speculation on my part, but I'm not the only one coming to those conclusions.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] ampersandrew 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They haven't really had a history of making you purchase them again. If you've got them now, you'll still be playing the copies you already bought.

[–] Noite_Etion 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Halo has been released on Xbox, Windows, macOS, Xbox 360, Windows Phone, iOS, Xbox One, Arcade, Xbox Series X|S. Then there is the Master Chief Collection which resold the series all over again.

Microsoft will happily sell you the same thing over and over and over. But luckily for them they have fanboys like you ready to defend the multibillion dollar corporation from jokes like mine.

[–] ampersandrew 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Those are supported platforms, yes. Many of them are redundant because the same license gives to access to the game on multiple platforms. I'm not defending them; your joke didn't land because they don't typically make you buy the same games over again. I'm a Linux fanboy and don't own a Series X; I have no reason to defend Microsoft. Just make better jokes next time.

[–] Noite_Etion -2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Just make better jokes next time.

Said the fanboy.

Many of them are redundant because the same license gives access to the game on multiple platforms.

Oh so I have a free copy of Halo 1 or 2 on other platforms because I bought it back on the original Xbox... No, if I want to play it on modern platforms I'll have to buy it again?

What about Halo 3 on the 360, do I get a free copy of it everywhere else... Again no... Shit.

I'm a Linux fanboy and don't own a Series X.

Yet you immediately downvote all my comments like that means anything, and get wrapped up defending Microsoft from some random jokes online.

they don't typically make you buy the same games over again.

I love the non-conformational language you use here "they don't typically make you do something". You cannot even state plainly that they don't re-sell their shit over and over because even you know it's not true.

I look forward to your immediate downvote and reply.

[–] ampersandrew 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

There seem to be a lot of people here who haven't gotten the memo that future Xboxes are likely to just be disguised Windows PCs, because they're mostly interested in Game Pass and know they can't compete otherwise. On an open platform, they couldn't stop you from continuing to play your old games. They really don't care about you re-purchasing their old games because they want you to rent a library. That's why your joke was bad.

[–] Noite_Etion -1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Way to ignore my entire comment lol. But thanks for proving my point that you're a hurt fanboy by downvoting and quickly replying.

They really don't care about you re-purchasing their old games because they want you to rent a library.

You get that's worse right? You own nothing and now if you want to replay their old games you have to rent them again and again. It's just another subscription... Yay Game Pass. Companies don't decide to make less money just to give their customers more value, they are a business not a charity.

Besides once Microsoft has a stranglehold on the gaming market (If they ever get it) they will use the position of power to make as much money as possible. Like they did with operating systems or office suites (365). They even tried to buy out Nintendo recently, do you think they did that because they don't want to re-sell their titles again? Why else try and build monopolies?

There seem to be a lot of people here who haven't gotten the memo that future Xboxes are likely to just be disguised Windows PCs

What do you think consoles are? They are just a pc with proprietary software and hardware. Even a PS2 can run linux.

On an open platform, they couldn't stop you from continuing to play your old games.

Yeah killing old servers would never happen.

[–] ampersandrew 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think I ever pitched a subscription as being better than ownership, just that your joke is divorced from the reality of the situation and the way Microsoft has operated for over a decade, and that's why the joke didn't land. Microsoft won't get a stranglehold on the market, despite their best efforts.

What do you think consoles are? They are just a pc with proprietary software and hardware.

You are missing the distinction by several miles. A short list includes the lack of cert, the availability of competitors on the same platform, and backward compatibility whether they like it or not. If the value proposition is as poor as you expect it to be, then the launch of a portable Xbox will hardly be noticed next to the Steam Deck, but the more likely scenario is that it's basically a Steam Deck that plays nicer with Game Pass and anti cheat technologies because it's actually Windows under the hood. You've demonstrated a large lack of understanding about what's changed between 6th gen consoles and today, but the short explanation is that I don't see a reason to expect Microsoft to charge you for Halo again on this new platform, because it would be marketing suicide among plenty of other reasons.

[–] Noite_Etion -1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I don't think I ever pitched a subscription as being better than ownership, just that your joke is divorced from the reality of the situation and the way Microsoft has operated for over a decade.

How is it divorced? You're still spending money for the same things over and over again. Your argument is purely semantics" you're not purchasing, you're renting!" Like there is a difference... You are still giving Microsoft money to play old games.

If I changed my original comment to read 'spending money' instead of 'purchasing' would that make you feel better? Because this seems to be your only problem with it.

You are missing the distinction by several miles. A short list includes the lack of cert, the availability of competitors on the same platform, and backward compatibility whether they like it or not. If the value proposition is as poor as you expect it to be, then the launch of a portable Xbox will hardly be noticed next to the Steam Deck, but the more likely scenario is that it's basically a Steam Deck that plays nicer with Game Pass and anti cheat technologies because it's actually Windows under the hood. You've demonstrated a large lack of understanding about what's changed between 6th gen consoles and today, but the short explanation is that I don't see a reason to expect Microsoft to charge you for Halo again on this new platform, because it would be marketing suicide among plenty of other reasons.

Originally you brought this up to reinforce the idea that Microsoft consoles are transitioning to a PC with an xbox paint job. Which is what all consoles essentially are, but I got what you were trying to say that it's a shared environment with a PC, which is somewhat relevant to the conversation... Kinda.

But now you are bringing up certificates, backwards compatibility, steam decks, anti cheat and other generations of consoles.

This entire section of your comment has nothing to do with my joke or the discussion so far, it's a waste of time and nothing but a diversion. Can you get back to what we are actually talking about? I get it Microsoft rents not sells... You see that I get it right?