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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (14 children)

Idk who is that, and probably is a moron.

But it is a genuinely good question: "what's a woman?" "what's a man?" "what's gender?"

Not an easy question, with not universally accepted answer.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago

Honestly I think, as a cis man, cis people are probably very bad at answering the question.

humans tend ignore "harmony". When you walk through the field, do you look each blade of grass or at the cow? Do you feel "non-pain"? How could you possibly explain someone pain that doesn't know pain? Do you remember the last time, you sat next to your friend watching a show on tv, in the same detail, you remember the conflict/discussion that you had with them?

Generally we will remember and pay attention to the things that are "wrong".

If your gender is right for you, why would you pay attention? What would you even pay attention to?

If it is wrong for you, you feel the "pain", see the cow and remember the conflict.

[–] FlyingSquid 19 points 4 days ago (48 children)

Outside of a philosophy discussion, it's not a genuinely good question because it is irrelevant to our daily lives. In any way that matters to society, a woman is a person who says they are a woman. It's that complicated.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (13 children)

"Is irrelevant" and "should be irrelevant" are two different things. Fighting by saying the issues are not there—regardless of your actual opinion—has rarely, if ever, worked. It's the same as the "I don't see color" argument.

Also, why would we exclude philosophical discussion? The point is to make you think. I also don't know who this particular person is in the OP, but the question itself has no bias. Maybe this highlights our philosophical differences, but I firmly believe that understanding a system is the most crucial step to revolutionizing it.

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[–] calcopiritus 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If the question is so irrelevant, why do you even try to answer it in the same comment? Not only answering it, but also making it a fact. As if your opinion is the only one that matters and suddenly it's irrelevant when there's a different opinion.

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 3 days ago (4 children)

My opinion is not the only one that matters. I'm not sure where you got that impression unless you think people should automatically agree with you for no reason other than you want them to when they do not.

I base my opinion on my observations on how the world works. I could be wrong, so feel free explain to me how it negatively affects in our society in any significant way if you don't define a woman as someone who calls themselves a woman.

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[–] Bgugi 5 points 3 days ago (7 children)

So long as society feels it necessary to provide protections for women, the distinction has real consequences. Drawing a line anywhere is a tradeoff between inclusivity and effectiveness.

Taking the party line "high ground" stance of either conclusive self-determination or dodging the question entirely is why this question is so effective.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

I'm sorry, is "conclusive self-determination" the wrong answer? Why?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Assuming good faith on the part of those involved, I don't see how inclusivity comes at the cost of effectiveness. Would you care to elaborate?

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