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[–] takeda 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

If that threat is even an option to bluff, then unfortunately NATO will likely be going away no matter what :(

I so hope I'm wrong.

[–] Badeendje 5 points 5 days ago

Why? If the US withdraws the rest can stay, the framework exists. It's a matter of reciprocity. NATO/the EU would just need to expand her nuclear arsenal

Yes the US is absolutely the 500 pound gorilla in the room, but if the US manages to burn their relations with their allies, and stuff like 5 eyes would cease, they are essentially blind. The US operates it's intelligence network at the behest of countries and relies on information sharing just as much.

And with Iran and a LOOOOONG list of groups and people and countries they fucked over, angered, bombed, etc... the US will not see the next 9/11 coming.

The US has a lot of capabilities, but if a group of radicals manage to hijack several planes and bring down your new York landmark and damage the Pentagon, just imagine what better organized and equipped players can do.

Oh, and NATO operates primarily US weaponry, this also has a reason. If the US withdraws from NATO I think we will see cancelled orders and an orders placed elsewhere.. within NATO member states.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Nah, if they are dump enough to push it that far there will actually be a coup in the USA.

Those guys that are itching to go and coup or invade countries that do not align with US interests are not going to just allow the US empire to crumple because of Democracy of all things.

Domestically things might not be much better though and it's possible that the US will resemble pre-Erdogan Turkey. A democracy with the military as a guardian.