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Bernie Sanders criticizes the Democratic Party for neglecting the working class, leading to their recent election losses.

He highlights issues like economic inequality, job displacement, healthcare costs, and foreign policy as key concerns for the American people.

Sanders questions whether the Democratic leadership will address these issues or remain beholden to big money interests.

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[–] PugJesus 51 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

He's partially right.

Unfortunately, I think the bigger issue is that a majority of Americans are fascists or indifferent to fascism.

“But are there not many fascists in your country?"

"There are many who do not know they are fascists but will find it out when the times comes.”

[–] Yawweee877h444 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (14 children)

majority of Americans are fascists or indifferent to fascism.

I'm not convinced of that at all. Here's what I see:

A large portion of ignorant uneducated and easily manipulatable people who don't even know what fascism is.

  • Large groups of religious people who focus on voting red because Christianity, their churches, pastors, and religious groups, and the abortion issue.

  • Actual bigots. There's a lot of them and they like the racism, anti gay, nationalism, deportation stuff. Want women subjugated.

  • Bullies, tough guys, "alpha male", and the "get money" crowd. There's a lot here too, and many in poor young black and Hispanic groups in addition to a lot of white males. Not necessarily bigots, but generally want women subjugated whether they know it or not (sex objects).

  • The large group of just vote red without thinking because it's what family and friend circles do and always have.

The above I think don't understand fascism at all. Not educated or informed enough.

Edit: I would say to be "indifferent to fascism" you have to actually understand what it is, and I don't think much of the maga crowd does. My opinion/speculation.

[–] minnow 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Completely disagree, a person doesn't have to understand what fascism is to be a fascist or indifferent to fascism, any more than they need to be an expert on dogs to not kick or oppose kicking one.

[–] Yawweee877h444 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Actually I changed my mind and disagree with my other comment LOL.

I still find it hard to call an extremely ignorant uneducated person a fascist, who is being manipulated by an actual fascist leader. They're just potentially being manipulated. The dumber they are, the easier to manipulate.

Some or even many of these people conceivably would change their stances and choices if provided with lots of education. Some.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Ignorance ultimately doesn't excuse or justify their actions. Your beliefs aren't as important as your actions. Not to say that they should be dragged behind the shed and shot, but that actions have consequences and they need to be held accountable for theirs. If somebody votes for a fascist leader and supports a fascist political party, they're at least collaborators in fascism.

You have to treat these people like they're in a cult, because that's what's happening here. Trump's rhetoric this past year has been eerily similar to Jim Jones near the time that they all drank the Flavor-Aid (almost identical, even). And when dealing with cultists, it's important to remember that not all of them can be saved. After a certain point, even if they recognize that they're in the wrong, most cultists will double down rather than admit that they were wrong - because they're in too deep and to admit that they were fooled would be to admit that their entire life has been wrong and that what they did wasn't justified.

Hope that you can make them realize why they're in the wrong, but be prepared to grab the knife that they might pull on you. Because that's probably the more likely scenario.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

A mage once said that in mistaking poison for wine, the mistake doesn't forgive and save your life. Bad paraphrase.

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