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US elections: European Greens call for Jill Stein to step down (europeangreens.eu)
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Here's the problem: Trump is out to maximize environmental damage and the US Green Party runs as spoilers. Let's look at three scenarios:

Scenario 1:

Harris: 1001 votes

Trump: 1000 votes

Stein: 0 votes

Harris wins

Scenario 2:

Harris: 1000 votes

Trump: 1000 votes

Stein: 1 vote

Tied vote, which goes to the courts and Congress, putting Trump in power

Scenario 3:

Harris: 999 votes

Trump: 1000 votes

Stein: 2 votes

Trump wins outright

This spoiler effect makes it really imperative to actively vote for Harris if you want to see any kind of climate action going forward. Republicans know this, which is why they're the ones funding the Green Party.

And that's why the European Greens want Jill Stein to step down now — they get that what she's doing is making it easier to elect a fascist bent on environmental destruction.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

So, not going to answer the questions I asked you and just pretend it's going to be exactly the same under both candidates?

Is that your strategy? Are you a troll?

[–] rigatti 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, they are a troll.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

you sound like a malicious ignorant

[–] rigatti 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yep, that's me.

[–] neanderthal 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Or a non-US psyop agent, or a GOP supporter

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm pointing out the government is shit. Of course i must be a psyop agent from the "enemy". Our government is the best in the world and never do anything wrong.

[–] neanderthal 3 points 3 weeks ago

must be a psyop agent from the "enemy".

You might be.

I'm pointing out the government is shit

Nobody is claiming it doesn't have problems. If you haven't been paying attention, there are things that non-MAGA wants to change about it.

Our government is the best in the world

As we constantly complain about citizens United, electoral college, first past the post elections, car dependant infrastructure, and the list goes on.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

What is exactly your question?

My "strategy" aka the right thing to do is to not endorse or advocate for criminals. Simple as that

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

What is exactly your question?

My "strategy" aka the right thing to do is to not endorse or advocate for criminals. Simple as that

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

What is exactly your question?

If you can't be bothered to read and engage seriously, then you're a troll, whether intentionally or unwittingly. I'm not going to go read for you.

Have a day, and maybe learn some reading comprehension skills.

[–] AnarchistsForKamala 1 points 3 weeks ago

I only vote for criminals. fuck the law

[–] TrickDacy 1 points 3 weeks ago

You're advocating for trump so yeah so no one believes this