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I'd like to think they're all just Russian trolls but increasingly, I think some people are just selfish or dumb.
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"How dare you protest!!!"
Literally all Kamala has to do is announce a plan to stop war crimes and gain these votes back. The fact she won't is on her, not on the people concerned over Gaza.
By the way, I don't support Trump, I don't think you should vote for Trump, but if you want to protest by supporting third parties until Kamala changes her policy you have my full support
Why doesn't Trump have to announce a plan to stop war crimes? Why does Harris always have a higher bar to overcome than Trump? A protest to save lives has failed if more people die because of the protest.
... Because Trump's base doesn't give a fuck?
How does this need to be explained
So you know that trump will be worse for Palistinians. And yet you're willing to risk him winning to prove a point to Harris and democrats?
My California vote won't affect the federal election in any way except to ever so slightly budge the needle on third party popularity. If I were in a battleground state or hell even a battleground district I would take a different approach.
Because everyone knows that Trump is not going to move on this issue, or really do anything good at all. Dems are supposed to be better than Trump, or at least they certainly insist that they are. People holding Kamala to a higher standard are taking the Dems at their word.
Then they objectively know Trump is the worse option. With the polls as close as they are, the protesters are willing to let trump win which will lead more gazans to suffer and die. These protests feed trump and netanyahu.
The protestors want an end to the US facilitating genocide. Most Democrats want fewer, if any, aid to Israel, yet Democrat leadership refuses to budge.
You blame voters for "being willing to let Trump win". Why not blame leadership for hurting their own chances at election by going against their own base?
I do blame the leaders, all of them who've been complacent in getting meaningful legislation passed to fix the structural issues in our democracy, but now is not the time to risk a fascist getting in to power when there is a very real risk that he will provide more aid to Isreal, possible send our own troops to fight for netanyahu, or worse.
The counter-argument to your point is that now is the best time, as voters have the leverage to elect democrats or not. In theory, Dem leadership wants to be elected and requires votes to achieve that goal. Biden met with progressive activists shortly after taking office and promptly told them to fuck off as, since he was already president, they no longer had anything to offer him.
That said, I hear your point and am torn about how I will ultimately vote. I don't live in one of the nine (arguably three) magic states where my vote will actually count, though, so it's a bit of a moot point.
I disagree. Your voice is your vote, no? So you're going to speak on Nov 5th without giving anyone a chance to respond, thus letting Trump be elected?
If not Nov 5th with your vote, then surely all of these antiwar types are protesting in the street and pinging their reps about it?
What? Yes, lots of people are protesting and have been for over a year. I don't know precisely how many of them personally call their reps, I know I have been, but I think the massive, widespread protests combined with polling Democrat voters about their views on the matter makes the message pretty clear. Politicians have had plenty of time to respond.
Yeah, see, I think they have polled Democrats and have probably found it's not a winning strategy, whether by number of possible voters gained vs lost, or ranked importance of the issues.
I think they recognize the backlash of losing the democratic Jewish vote is larger than the gain of standing on principle on a difficult diplomatic situation that the public doesn't have the attention span to follow. Undecided voters are typically low-info voters, so a dissertation on the Middle East situation is a no-go.
Don't get me wrong, I think what Israel is doing is genocide and we shouldn't support it, but I also understand if voters in America care more about not getting evicted, going bankrupt, bodily autonomy, or food security more so than a conflict half way around the world.
Also this is on-line with our stance in WW2 prior to Pearl Harbor - we didn't want to fight an active war despite knowing about the genocide occurring.
Do you want Trump to win? Because that's how you get Trump to win