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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (8 children)

if it needs to be pollinated by bees or wasps, then it's not vegan (insert troll emoji i guess)

[–] LovableSidekick 1 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I think that's actually a very valid point. What level of involvement in producing the food makes it vegan or not vegan? If eating honey is unethical I would think so is eating food produced by the hard work of another person.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (6 children)

What level of involvement in producing the food makes it vegan or not vegan?

It's about A) exploitation and B) harming the animal.

Pollination is done by all kinds of insects, but they are part of our ecosystem and happen to be pollinating the plants that we eat. We don't breed them, we don't kill them (pesticides, sure), we simply coexist.

Honey isn't vegan because we breed the bees, take their food and often kill the entire hive because they get sick and cannot survive winter without their honey. It's also not sustainable, because honey bees are being bred en masse and are pushing out native pollinators that are highly specialized in certain kinds of plants, causing them to go extinct.

[–] LovableSidekick 1 points 4 hours ago

Sounds like it's not the honey it's the production system, so honey from wild bees would be vegan. Okay.

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