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[–] [email protected] 10 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

"Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."
~ The Vegan Society, 1944

[+] [email protected] -6 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (3 children)

It's not natural period

To each their own but I can't stand the vegans that try to put others down for eating meat

Nature is kill or be killed and has been since the dawn of time. Everything eats everything else.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

It's not natural period

The three N's of Justification:
Eating meat is natural, necessary and normal. Check this video on carnism.

To each their own

Vegan Bullshit Bingo #6:
Food is everbody's personal choice
How can something that others literally gave their lives for be a personal choice? Food nowadays is globally produced and distributed and affects - like most of our decisions - many more parties and beings, such as animals and our entire ecosystem. Your taste in music is a personal choice. The freedom to choose what we consume though, should not limit the freedom and well-being of others. Be it through animal exploitation, destruction of ecosystems, inhumane working conditions in the animal industry, zoonoses and pandemics, multidrug resistant pathogens, waste of resources and further consequences, that lead others to suffer.

but I can't stand the vegans that try to put others down for eating meat

Vegan Bullshit Bingo #52:
Vegans think they are better than everyone
While it feels good to know that you have questioned traditions and made your own informed decisions in line with values that reject violence rather than promote it, you should not get on a high horse, because almost all vegans were once not vegan and everyone can take this step. However, completely refusing to address the issue is a difficult stance to take. By the way: Just because a vegan once told you an uncomfortable truth, they were not being mean to you. And even if you didn't like a vegan once, that doesn't question the whole point of veganism or justify continuing to exploit animals.

Nature is kill or be killed and has been since the dawn of time. Everything eats everything else.

Vegan Bullshit Bingo #1:
Lions eat meat too
Yes, animals kill in the wild - to survive. We humans are, as opposed to predators, omnivores. We know how to grow crops, vegetables, etc. and cultivate fields. We have a choice, a conscience and have ethics. Are you identifying with the intelligence and life situation of that of a lion? Do you also commonly ask yourself "What would a lion do in my place right now"? Are lions that kill newborns of other lions, for example, really good role models?

[–] IzzyScissor 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Being "natural" is not an indicator of "good" or "bad".

Cyanide is natural. Eyeglasses are unnatural.

Maybe pick better metrics for society.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

I didn't say it was good or bad. In fact I said you shouldn't judge others from partaking in natural things. Wtf does cyanide have to do with eating to survive?

And you're proving my point. You're the one judging veganism or non veganism as "good or bad".

[–] IzzyScissor 2 points 12 hours ago

"What does cyanide have to do with eating to survive?" It doesn't - exactly like eating meat. You don't need either to survive, and both are completely "natural".

By saying that "partaking in natural things should be free from judgement", you're also arguing that we shouldn't judge someone when they commit murder, rape, incest, and a whole slew of morally objectionable things because those things happen to also exist in nature.

If you meant that, you're too far gone to have a reasonable conversation. If that's not what you meant, then you need to rephrase your argument because "natural" does not mean "good".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Calm down - noone tried to take away your glorious piece of dead flesh.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah several vegans actually do though. Just like those Christians that try to force religion down your throat.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

I've never met one. But when people find out, you are vegan, everyone starts shoving their expertise, defense, aggression or at least either the fact, that they don't eat meat that often or that they could not live without meat and that its their genetics basically making their body NEED meat and that's why they crave/eat it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Just like those Christians

Vegan Bullshit Bingo #7:
Veganism is like a religion
That sounds like an attempt at discrediting Veganism as unreasonable and irrational, just to not seriously deal with it. As Veganism is based on facts, logic and common sense, it is the exact opposite of a religion. Consuming animal products though, mostly means blindly following irrational traditions and ignoring the facts or refusing them by reasoning: "That's how we've always done it". That sounds more like a religion to me...

that try to force religion down your throat.

Vegan Bullshit Bingo #48:
Vegans are forcing their opinion on others
Fortunately we have freedom of speech. Opinions and actions can be criticized. Especially when the critique involves valid arguments. As consuming meat is legal, vegans aren't enforcing anything. Much rather, we are seeking education, and an open dialogue about the topic. This is unfortunately often jeopardized by a lack of proper counterarguments and the allegation we would enforce our opinion. Eating animals though, forces others to captivity, violence and death.