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[–] givesomefucks 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (14 children)

Like, you understand that if the Dem party wanted to, they could still be that economically progressive, right?

And that in doing so it mitigate Republicans lying?

The Dem party becoming more economically conservative is solely the fault of the people choosing to do what donors want over what Dem voters want....

Both parties focusing on the "wedge issues" is by design, that way the wealthy who donate to both parties always win...

The only people who control the Dem.platform is Dem party leadership, them choosing wealthy donors over voters is literally no one's fault except the people running the party who keep repeatedly making that choice.

I get wanting to blame Republicans, but we can't on this one.

It's literally as easy as Kamala deciding to do so at this point, it's a month from election and she's the candidate. But she's not, instead she keeps moving to the right economically the closer we get to the election.

[–] acosmichippo 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

the point is there would be more of a political mandate for economic change if our demographics looked more like this today. that map is never going to happen today no matter how progressive dems go on the economy, because of the work republicans have done to divide us over the last 50 years.

[–] givesomefucks 6 points 1 month ago (6 children)

The point is there's been a political mandate for economic change for over a century...

The reason the Dems don't have the numbers to accomplish it, is them giving up on progressive economics.

Think of it like a restaurant. One that used to serve food people wanted and was always busy. Then the restaurant got kick backs from a differemt food supplier. One whose food was worse, and thus unpopular.

The restaurant loses business because the food gets worse, it takes a while because people only go out to eat every four years, and the only other restaurant serves shit sandwiches exclusively.

People won't still go out to eat and pick the shit sandwich, they'll just stop going out to eat. The patrons of the shit sandwich restaurant will eat anything, they'll keep showing up.

In this analogy, that explains the decrease in Dem voters while Republicans stay steady.

We can bitch and moan when the shit sandwich restaurant is the most popular, but bullying people to still patronize the restaurant that's a shadow of it's former self isn't going to work as well as that restaurant just serving the food customers want.

But they won't do that, because they make more serving cheap shitty food even if they get less customers

It's really as easy as running a Dem candidate that is as progressive as Dem voters.

Hell, Pennsylvania is an important battleground state where close to 60% of voters want to ban fracking...

If Kamala gave voters what they want on just that one single issue it would likely hand her the presidency. But she's not.

For some reason we only hear "this is what voters want" from the Dem.party when it's used to rationalize being more conservative. When the voters are more liberal than the party, the voters are told their views don't matter, and that depresses turnout which is why we don't have "the mandate" we used to.

I hope that makes sense.

[–] TeoTwawki 1 points 1 month ago

how did McDonald's get into this conversation? 🤔

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