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I'm sorry, but no, I'm going to blame the people who vote against Harris, giving the election to Trump, and leading to every Palestinian in the Middle East being killed. The anti-Harris crowd is anti-Palestinian lives, and no amount of bullshit will make that untrue.
People will push to vote Stein because they want Trump to win, because they want more Palestinians to die.
No, I don't like her position on Gaza. But I know that Trump doesn't give a single fuck about any of their lives, and Harris needs to at least toe a line.
Yeah see thats what people in a cult do.
And about Stein...
https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3913&stream=top
She's literally polling at less than measurable numbers. The only election real estate she is occupying is in your mind. Your opponent if you want to beat Trump isn't Stein, is Harris. Her positions are what are holding her back right now.
You want Harris to win? Advocate that she adopt a stronger position on Israel. And blaming the greens is just laughable. Literally Chase Oliver is pulling in more net votes than Stein.
If she doesn’t have an effect, why did she decide not to run in 2020?
Why don't you ask her? She's easy to get a hold of. Hell, for the price of a super chat, I was able to ask her a question directly on a YT show. She's very accessible. You want an answer to that question? Send her an email from @[email protected]
And as far as I can remember, she didn't even want to run in 2024? I think she tried to get Cornell West to run.
Right now the libertarians are pulling in way more votes in the latest rust belt Quinipiac. Should they not be running? Also, that latest quinipiac doesn't show Harris's numbers improving without Stein; it show Trumps numbers going up. If we squint, it looks like Stein is actually pulling more Trump voters (but to be honest, the numbers are microscopically small, its stupid to even be discussing the greens).
You know what block of voters are actually in the polling data that are movable?
Undecided votes. You know, that campaign that was asking themselves to stop doing a genocide?
Only Harris can win this election; only Harris can lose it. You want Harris to win? Advocate she adopt more popular policies.
I asked you a question and you replied with seven questions of your own.
You can't have expected an actual answer when you asked him to read the mind of a crazy grifter lady did you? I read that as an obvious rhetorical question and now I'm somewhat confused.
Cus I'm not Jill stein and I dont speak for her. Your entire line of questioning is you projecting things you wish some one was saying onto them.
Anyways, since you couldnt be bothered, I just submitted this:
Maybe she'll show up. In the mean time, how do you address the fact that there are orders of magnitude more "Undecided" voters than Greens in this latest quinipiac?
You might be confused, my entire line of questioning was:
I'm not the guy you're arguing with, but he's got a valid point -- nobody can answer that question except for her.
Still, most people pushing on this palestine/harris dissent button, are Iran psyops. Normal Americans don't really care one way or the other, because they're so separated from it all.
And what answer could I possibly give to you which would satisfy?
You aren't here to have a conversation. You dont ask these questions in good faith. You are here to be a bully and try to bully people into not questioning your team. Were you abused, where the people who "loved" you also bullied you into believing the same thing they did? So you feel like you have to bully people into believing the things you do?
This is the same toxic shit that Blue MAGA was doing that literally was losing Biden the election. If you actually gave a fuck about beating Trump, you'd be trying to find a way to make Harris a more palatable candidate to people who can't stomach a genocide. But you don't actually care about winning. You just want to be abusive.
You’re saying I’m not asking these questions in good faith while bringing up far-right taking points like BlueMAGA and questioning my upbringing?
What would make you happy enough to get on Harris’s side?
Her bringing peace to the Middle East in twenty-six days as the Vice President?
You just projecting that I'm not already on Harris's side, because you are a part of a toxic cult. You have a genuine mental condition.
And my views and opinions are irrelevent. What matters is what "people" think and specifically what "people" think in swing states.
Right now, "people" in swing states are moving away from Harris. And they aren't moving to Jill Stein. They are moving to the couch. And you being a toxic cult member online doesn't change that. You abusing people into taking your position doesn't change the fact that Harris has campaigned poorly since the convention and is on track to lose this.
And Jill Stein won't be accountable for that. Harris will. We have the data. There are statistically 0 Jill Stein voters.
To be fair, there’s only one person abusing someone else right now and it’s not me.
You seem allergic to having a conversation in good faith.
Why would I want to have a conversation with you if you dodge questions and insult me?
I'm not Jill Stein bro. I can't answer for her. I'm sorry you are broken inside.
Debate is fine but best to keep your repeated psychological diagnoses to yourself bro.
Stop feeding the trolls, people
There are two possible outcomes for the election - a Trump win, or a Harris win. Pissing away your vote on Stein empowers Trump, who will be worse in just about every way you could imagine - including Palestine.
Don't let your childish refusal to suck it up and vote for a deeply flawed Democrat campaign contribute to the death of who knows how many, both internationally and domestically, the destruction of US democracy, and the gutting of the economy. Vote like a fucking adult - please.
What cult am I in then?
So you got nothing. Got it
You said I'm in a cult. What cult am I in?
You said that people who understand how not voting, or suggest that pissing away a vote by voting for Shill Stein is a vote for Trump are in a cult.
What cult are they in?
I can't even parse this so maybe try again.
Naaah.. you understand it. You’re just trying to bail. It’s what you do. We’ve all seen you do this a thousand times… you distract from the fact that you’ve been called out and walk away.
8d old account.
🤔
You think I’ve only been on lemmy for 8 days? It’s n becoming a bit more clear why you’re a leftist.
So ban evasion then. Got it.
Bruh you are literally just a toxic troll avoiding bans with alta or sock puppets.
Let’s keep things civil here.
There is no incivility in what I said. It's an 8 day old account where literally all of the comments are abusive trolling.
Disagreeing with you isn’t toxic trolling.
You are a toxic troll dude. Like, it would be great if you could just keep your toxic opinions to yourself and stick with the novelty account shit.
You are an abusive, toxic, troll who is demonstrating all of the characteristics of being in the same kind of cult of personality that MAGA is. You don't engage in good faith. You aren't here to change minds, you just want to beat people into submission. And you, and those like you, are deeply hurting the ability of Democrats to win in November, in the same way you were driving people away from Biden with your approach before he dropped out.
The account above, literally is acknowledging they are a sockpuppet/ burner account that they've set up. The only thing they've done is troll with it. There is no reason to defend them.
You can say whatever you want to me as long as it doesn’t violate site wide rules but please keep it civil with the other members of this community!