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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Who are the half that make the 7 figures required to not spend half your income on housing?

Did they just fully make up have the surveyed population?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago

Just to point out, with the median mortgage at $2349 a month, it's more like you need a household income of $93,000 a year (probably closer to $100k with utilities and other expenses) for your housing costs to equal 30% of your income. That is steep for a lot of people, but still much more attainable than 7 figures. A quick Google says that makes up around 37% of US households as of 2022. Still doesn't quite add up to their figures, admittedly, unless "nearly half" is doing a lot of work in that sentence.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

$1400/mo, the rough figure from the article, is 30% of $56k/yr. If you made $1m, 30% of that would give you $25,000/mo. How do you figure?

[–] Maggoty 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Median household is apparently 80k now. 30 percent of that monthly is 2,000.

In my city 2,000 will rent you an infested place with water damage from the flood a year ago. But if the city comes around you have to pretend not to live there or else they'll kick you out.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Don’t forget that household income is everyone in the house. So if you are all poor college kids with part time jobs making 15-20k a year your household income will still be close to or at the median, even though each of you are individually really poor

[–] Maggoty 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

That's not nearly the normal though. Dual income households are the norm by far.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Sure but any part time jobs the kids have also count towards median household income I assume

[–] Maggoty 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That's like a 2 year period in an 18 year living situation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Kids live at home a lot longer now 😂 way more than two years haha

[–] Maggoty 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

You'd need census data to back that up.

Edit to add, you'd need to see which definition the government is using because household has a census definition and an IRS definition.

[–] Jazsta 6 points 1 day ago

Maybe roommates?

[–] SpaceNoodle 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wonder if it's net or gross.

Besides, it's not seven figures, just mid-six figures necessary for that.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 20 hours ago

The typical "30% on income" advice is based on gross, not net. Which is about 93,000 a year for the median mortgage payment right now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I lived in a place that cost 800$ a month for a room in the bay area and I was taking home more than 60% of my income working full time.

It's doable, and it doesn't mean only rich people aren't rent burdened...

[–] IsThisAnAI -5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You don't need remotely close to that income level. 200k household income will get you a nice home at a reasonable price.

[–] Maggoty 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh yeah just 2.5 times the median household income, no problem. Hey while we're here can I have a million dollar loan?

[–] BombOmOm -5 points 1 day ago (5 children)

If you move outside the city, shit gets much, much cheaper. Mortgages are easily $1,750/mo ($300k, 30yr, tax + insurance included). If your goal is to live in NYC or Seattle, you will be spending quite a bit on your chosen lifestyle. If your goal instead is to buy/rent an affordable 2-3br home, there are lots of options.

[–] Nurse_Robot 49 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ugh. I get really annoyed when people defend egregious housing prices with the "just live in a shitty place, in a shitty location, in the middle of a food desert, far from economic opportunities, social interactions, public transportation, and you can afford it" argument

[–] Sanguine 15 points 1 day ago

Lol yeah exactly.. Its such a brain dead take.

[–] FlyingSquid 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"If you live where the jobs aren't, you can afford a house."

Cool.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Move far, far outside of populated areas and you don't even need a mortgage.

[–] FlyingSquid 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also known as The Unabomber Rental Mitigation Technique.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Kaczynski was unironically right about a number of things, criminal activity aside.

[–] FlyingSquid 2 points 2 hours ago

Like avoiding high rent by living in a shack in the woods!

[–] corroded 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Where are you finding a livable home for 300k? I live in a rural area, and I love it here, but you're never going to find a house for 300k unless you're willing to put another 150k into stripping it down to the studs and renovating it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago

Detroit Metro area. That's what I did. Went from a $3400 rent to a $1800 mortgage. House is in great condition but I do have plans to remodel it, no rush.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

They are rare but they are out there.

I was able to find a home for about $320k about 15 miles from the city. I searched for two years. My interest rate is shit. But hey, I have a house!

It was fully renovated.

I'm not saying the market isn't shit. Because it is due to fucking investors.

I know I am lucky to have a job that pays well, even though it hasn't kept up with inflation. I know that this isn't the case for everyone and I'd be willing to take a hit on my home value if it meant others could buy a home too.

But my neighbors don't feel the same way.

[–] rImITywR 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Maggoty 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The last time we moved we actually did this. Kept us from paying more bills to commute longer. I highly recommend figuring out your monthly gas/mass transit bill and adding that to the price of places you're comparing.

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 19 hours ago

Also, commuting time. If you have young kids but you don't get home until 7:30, you're going to spend very little time on them. And possibly a lot on child care.

But even if you're not a parent, long commutes, by car, by public transit, or both can be pretty stressful after a long day at work.

[–] seaQueue 10 points 1 day ago

And the cost of time spent commuting 2-3h each way to and from work every day