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"Fidelity is currently valuing X at about $9.4 billion"

I found this funny.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 3 days ago (8 children)

We knew this was going to happen before he made the purchase.

Everyone said, the best way for Elon to keep his money was to change very little, or even take a hands-off approach.

Masnick suggested this would happen

It was that and so much worse. Moral of the story: Running a huge social media service is hard. Maybe don't assume that because you're a billionaire you're the best at doing stuff.

[–] iAvicenna 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"Maybe don't assume that because you're a billionaire you're the best at doing stuff."

This is literally every second generation billionaire. They seem to have the tendency to believe that their success is solely due to their intelligence and not at all due to their parents' connections and money.

[–] scarabic 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean the people at Twitter were very happy to sell it off. Remember how they actually sued to force him to go through with the deal and succeeded in stopping him from backing out?

Even if he’d managed it as well as the prior stewards, it was always a losing business.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If the price offered is actually a good price then I think they might have some obligation to shareholders to pursue it. (Many of the people making that decision likely also being shareholders.) Like if someone offered you more than what your stuff is worth but tried to changed their mind, wouldn't you pursue that? I don't think that's any sort of indicator that they thought it was a sinking ship. It's just in their best interest to take a good deal when they get one.

[–] scarabic 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think you make a good point. But we don’t have to guess whether they thought Twitter was struggling. We know it was.

Twitter never managed to develop an online ad business that matched the scale of its influence in popular culture and society at large. Twitter has lost money in six of the eight years since its IPO.

Source: CNBC

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My point is that if someone offers you a good price for what you believe you have have, you take it. If they thought it was good and they got a good price for it they'd take it. If they thought it was bad and they got a good price for it they'd take it.

[–] scarabic 1 points 2 days ago

Yes I did read your comment before :)

You’re saying that accepting his offer is not necessarily a statement of low confidence in their own business. I get you.

But we can’t separate the notion of it being a good price apart from its being a bad business. It was a great offer in part because the business was so poor. By all estimates he vastly overpaid.

So yes, it was a good price.

And yes, it was a bad business and yes they knew it. With no other offers on the table, they pulled out all the stops to ensure it went through. It was their and their shareholders only chance for a payday with the business as bleak as it was.

All of these things are true.

[–] mynameisigglepiggle 19 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Meanwhile he is on track to become the world's first trillionaire

I think the purchase was more about welding power than any financial gain

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago

He tried to back out, I don't think any of this was about anything. He's just a dick with a weird sense of humor.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

First step to becoming a billionaire: start with 1 trillion

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Now, call me crazy, but if I was optimizing for maximum welding power, I'd start with oxy acetylene and at least try a few other options. How would buying a website even be a good start?

No wonder people are making fun of him!

[–] mynameisigglepiggle 1 points 1 day ago

He needs all the welding power he can get to keep the Tesla's held together

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Hasn't his wealth kinda flatlined lately though? X is doing terribly, Tesla is struggling a bit, I think SpaceX is at least doing well.

I don't think he's going to be a trillionaire any time soon.

[–] Another_earthling 2 points 3 days ago

Would you not agree that he has a tool of influence with X? I see that as the main aspect of why you'd still buy twitter, even though he knew he wouldn't earn money with that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Masnick gives 20 levels of development. Elon stopped here:

Level Two: “We’re the free speech platform! But no CSAM!”

And that's about it. Ex-Twitter has copyright infringement, hate speech and doesn't give a fuck about local laws unless the law actually has teeth (Brasil, anybody?).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

and then he fires trust and safety and it gets riddled and plagued with csam

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean, yeah we all knew he overpaid, but losing over 75%? I didn't expect that.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Twitter wasn't profitable right? So most of the "value" is in the name of the product. Elon changed the name and added his signature to everything the platform was doing, completely changing the platform Twitter is. So yeah, I do get why 75% of the money is gone now.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Changing the name of one of the most valuable brands isn't something I'd expect even him to do.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Masnick's post is well put, but also a disturbing reminder of how much power nation-states can exert over the Internet.

[–] postmateDumbass 1 points 3 days ago

The way to make it hurt is to establish a replacement that keeps discussions away from trolls and hate propaganda.