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‘Be a man and vote for a woman’: Kamala Harris’s unlikely edge in America’s masculinity election
(www.theguardian.com)
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Almost every time I read an article from a liberally coded publication of how gender affects political affiliation, it comes off as both hopelessly out of touch and extremely patronizing.
I feel like this article fundamentally misunderstands the issues it is trying to claim expertise on. There was no discussion of the very real struggles men face today. There was also extremely limited discussion on how young men vs older men view gender in politics, a genuine answer on why conservative claims of masculinity under attack resonate with Gen Z men in particular, or a discussion of how some liberals behave in a sexist way themselves.
The part about "benevolent sexism" was downright insulting. A huge complaint among younger conservative men is "benevolent sexism" towards women in the democratic party. Even a lot of liberals will admit that there's way too much of the "women are wonderful" effect going around without any real checks on biases.
This is all of course coming from the guardian, which has had some of the most insufferable takes on gender over the past decade. It's frustrating enough when some op ed shames every single man for the actions of a few, like the guardian did with catcalling. It's on another level when they then publish another article by the same author where she complains about not being catcalled after 30 somehow blames men for that too.
I personally think Trump will underperform with men. I specifically think he himself doesn't understand the issues young men have, a small minority of his older base have his tuned out without telling anyone, his surrogates focus on the wrong things, and his turnout machine is gonna end up being trash. However I think that going forward democrats will have to put in real genuine work to win over male voters, and that will require acknowledging some uncomfortable truths that they are unable to do.
As a sidenote, I encourage everyone to read Christine Emba's op-ed in the Washington Post. It provides a lot better a framework on what's happening.
Unfortunately convincing people to understand all this requires a very strongly pushed but very moderate opinion, which is difficult to express in a meaningfully correct way
Yeah. One of the lowkey things I'm hoping in a Trump loss is a more nuanced discussion. I feel like you can't criticize certain things without being called some far right maga incel. It's exhausting.
I feel like it's difficult to have a nuanced discussion because people feel a sense of urgency. If the world's always in crisis, it's hard to step back and slow down.
Yeah but that ends up making everything worse. There's a whole industry of people who feed off of outrage to grift and push radical opinions. The biggest offenses aren't even related to gender. As a society we aren't even able to have a nuanced conversation about benign issues like gas stoves. I don't know how we're ever really supposed to tackle bigger issues such as gender when shit like that causes mass outrage.
Yeah. Here's hoping we can solve a few of the ongoing crises and get back to more nuanced discourse