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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (3 children)
[–] Alteon 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Long, boring, hard to pay attention to. I read philosophy and theory sometimes but it's few and far between for those reasons. I really have to be in a special mood to sit down and read something that dense.

Edit: I'm not the original commenter

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

Long, boring, hard to pay attention to.

There are simpler, shorter, and easier works by Marx, Like Critique of the Gotha Programme, Wage Labor and Capital, as well as Value, Price, and Profit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Reading Marx is like reading Adam Smith. Both wrote about economic systems before economics was even a thing. All ideas start somewhere but our ideas, and our society, have advanced dramatically in the 140+ years they've been dead. They're more interesting for historical purposes than economic ones.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

But it's also hard to know what contemporary economists are arguing without reading those foundational writers

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

All of Marx's main concepts, surplus value, classes and class struggle, alienation, are just as relevant today as when they were written. Much like Newton, Marx built the solid foundation that scientific socialists stand on today.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Right, but nobody tells anyone interested in physics to read Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica. If you're interested in history, sure. If you're interested in physics, read a modern physics textbook.

[–] TokenBoomer 3 points 2 months ago

Easy to follow vidyas onYoutube might be more engaging.

[–] rockSlayer 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Das Kapital described crypto before digital computers were even an idea. His work is still relevant.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I thought to look this up cause I think it's neat and it's often the case that some technology is described long before you'd think. The first description of using electrical switches to do logic operations came in 1886 in a letter from Charles Sanders Peirce. That's between Capital volume 2 and 3, and most importantly, AFTER he described the law of value.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Both wrote about economic systems before economics was even a thing.

Lol. Lmao, even.

and our society, have advanced dramatically in the 140+ years they've been dead.

In what manner has this proven Marx wrong?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You're very good at saying you're right and very bad at providing evidence. The best thing about lemmy's size is I can recognize which usernames to disregard immediately after enough encounters.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What evidence am I supposed to provide here, exactly? I'm asking for clarification.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Memes. Look at their username.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Do you have a good starting point? I have a rudimentary understanding of Marxism, but not much in the way of details.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

I have a lot of suggestions, but for starters, what do you know so far, and what do you think you're lacking in?

[–] TokenBoomer 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thanks for the suggestions. Starting with Blackshirts and reds now.

[–] TokenBoomer 1 points 1 month ago

I read while listening to the audiobook to keep me focused, ‘cause I’m old.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Here's a good study list, but it's specifically about marxism, so some deprogramming from imperial propaganda first might be needed, Blackshirts and Reds (and most other books by Parenti) is good starting book in English

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Thanks, that is a lot to sink my teeth into!

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Good idea. Read about a hypothetical economic theory that is impossible to implement unless everyone become obedient to a small group of elitist while pretending the people are in control. I'm sure you'll get it right this time

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

You're exactly the type of person that needs to read Marx.