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Trump isn’t an icon of positive masculinity. He also did very little for young men during his four years as president

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[–] nforminvasion 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This exactly. The destruction of third spaces under Reagan was either a genius move to radicalize lonely, isolated Americans or a hell of a coincidence that ended up helping the right.

I say it could be a coincidence because idk if Reagan's administration was looking quite that far ahead but... They were crafty and very intelligent people.

[–] chonglibloodsport 11 points 2 months ago

This process began long before Reagan. I think it started with the automobile manufacturers, and General Motors in particular, in their war on public transit.

The death of the streetcar brought with it the death of streetcar suburbs and mixed-use zoning, which was the foundation upon which most third places rested (neighbourhood pubs, cafes, and barber shops).

Anyway, definitely watch that video if you have the time. Compare the vast landscapes full of roads and parking lots with the old-fashioned neighbourhood of Riverdale, with its narrow streets and cozy houses huddled together on small lots. It’s easy to see which one is more conducive to community, civic engagement, and good government. The car-dependent landscape looks like some dystopian nightmare by comparison.

[–] dynamic_generals 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Would you mind expanding on this? The idea piqued my interest, but couldn’t find information on that connection when looking for myself.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Not the person who made the comment, but here's my understanding. A "third place" is somewhere you spend a lot of time when you're not at home (the first place) or school/work (the second place). Third places such as community centers were vital to the civil rights movement in the 60s, it was where much of the movement's meeting, debating and organizing took place.

The Reagan administration systematically defunded any of these politically active third places that were receiving federal funds, probably because they were worried that they'd be infiltrated by those scary communists. They were so worried about what the organized people might do in the future that they did everything they could to kick the financial struts out from under these community organizations. In many cases this destroyed some or all of the local community benefits that those organizations were actually providing.

This trend cut across the political spectrum too. The Clinton administration did its own wave of defunding, though I suspect that was more for economic (i.e. neoliberal) than political ideology. Combine the lack of community investment with the rise of the internet, and you arrive at the situation we have today where third places are becoming increasingly scarce. It's hard for communities to develop and maintain a cohesive identity when there's no longer any metaphorical "town squares" where the people in that community gather.