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They don’t have a brain really and kinda just float there. Do they even feel pain?

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[–] _finger_ -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I thought it had less to do with suffering and exploitation (animals do this to each other, no way to stop that nor should we) but more to do with climate change. Cattle farms are causing massive climate change for instance.

[–] voidMainVoid 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Humans are moral agents, though. Just because something happens in nature, that doesn't make it okay. There are lots of examples of rape among wild animals, but that doesn't make it okay for humans to do it.

A lot of vegans are concerned about climate change, too, but it's really tangential to the philosophy. Veganism came out of the animal rights movement, so it's really concerned with exploitation and suffering. If there were no environmental issues with animal products, vegans would still be vegans.

[–] I_AnoN_I -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Morals are a social construct

[–] Robbeee 8 points 1 year ago

Just because something is a social construct doesn't mean it isn't real or important.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's no necessarily true. It's like saying "society is a social construct". But I think there are more arguments to see morality as an inevitable result of human nature.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It can be either or both. Whether other animals or people cause suffering to animals isn't a statement about whether it is ethical for people to do so (naturalistic fallacy).

In terms of strict definitions of what should or should not be eaten based on its suffering, I think that's much harder to do. There's always going to be some gray area. Plants respond to stimuli and try to protect themselves. Jellyfish and insects and cultures cells are on a spectrum where it may not be clear how to draw the line.