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Let's review some of these bans, as called out by [email protected]:
https://lemm.ee/post/40926293/14446156
https://imgur.com/YSoJbgs
From the top:
[email protected] https://imgur.com/4XsXuOC
Quote: "LW admin/mod team seem to have this overbearing and weird belief that they need to tell everyone else what to think and how to think it. How about... you all just fuck off and don't?
Result: Permaban
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[email protected] https://imgur.com/LIye27F
Quote: "All rights are won through violence, child. Bans on here means less than the nothing platitudes you utter"
Result: 15 day ban
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[email protected] https://imgur.com/ONGdgNo
Quote: [the quote is really long, pls dont make me type it and just look at the link lol]
Result: 15 day ban
Note: the comment precedes the ban by 26 days, but catloaf's recent comment history contains opinions critical of the LW News mod team
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[email protected] https://imgur.com/q2kktNQ
Quote: "Damn what a shame, guy almost stopped being a moderator on an internet forum, would have been a grave tragedy"
Result: Permaban
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[email protected] https://imgur.com/ZCRtuJe
Stormesp's profile at lemm.ee: https://lemm.ee/u/stormesp
Quote: [there were no comments removed in the modlog, but stormesp's recent comment history contains opinions critical of the LW News mod team, read them yourself]
Result: 15 day ban
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[email protected] https://imgur.com/YwIMSOq
Quotes: [multiple quotes, there are a lot, check out the link]
Result: 15 day ban
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Summary
Most interestingly here is that the two users who got permabanned didn't use slurs and didn't call for violence, they merely insulted the moderator team. I guess in the LW News mod team's eyes, that's a horrible, terrible, awful, unforgivable offense, so.......... PERMABAN.
Aniki literally is saying "words are useless, let's resort to violence" but that's a 15 day ban only, OK, makes sense, right????????
Catloaf and Stormesp were actively leaving comments sparring with the moderator team in that thread. To be honest, none of what I'm seeing in these comment seems worthy of a ban. Unless of course, you're a LW mod and you go "this guy is disagreeing with me, therefore they deserve a ban."
Edit: I forgot to write about MindTraveller since that guy was a last minute addition. But look at those aggressive comments, guy deserves a ban for sure.
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Conclusion
Not a good look. Does LW want to grow into a good Reddit alternative or do they just want to turn it into Reddit for themselves only?
LW can at least come clean about this and say "yes, the rest of you can get fucked" or maybe they will have a moment of realization at some point "oh my god, are we the baddies?"
Lol I didn't even know I was banned until I saw this comment
Yeah the way these federated systems are handling bans and moderation right now is not very transparent. It's very easy to have moderator action taken against you and not know why it happened, or to even know that it happened
True. However, I don't think my comment was that bad, so I also wasn't even suspecting anything would happen.
It's like these guys just started using the internet yesterday and everything offends them.
Yeah that's what I mean. And systemically the way the system was developed encourages such behavior. Which... In a way is I guess what I've been trying to say for long time about "letting tankies be who develops your platform has consequences for the systems they develop"
Which probably seems like a non sequitur to you. I'm just making connections between what you're saying, what's going in this specific situation, and overall with Lemmy as a construct
Lemmy provides for inadequate moderation tools and the developers of Lemmy don't see adding additional tools or improvements to existing tools to be a high priority, so there's not going to be more transparency from anyone running a Lemmy instance or moderating a lemmy community.
How dare you not take the situation seriously! totally not on the mod team for throwing someone to the wolves
As always: if you're unhappy with [email protected] , there is [email protected]
Small clarification, @MindTraveller participated in that thread, but was banned while a comment of theirs was removed in a separate post. That's why they're not included in the list.
I copied it for you:
I can't imagine that comment was why I was banned. If it was, then it seems to me like they went digging to find an excuse to ban me.
I wasn't given any reason that comment was removed, either. As I replied to myself there, my only rule I can guess at violating was calling news article authors who don't link or name the study "fuckers", but as I said, I'm happy to remove that if it's unacceptable.
I'm not sure why you were banned, I was just annoyed about reading a screenshot of text.
I don't agree with this. It seems like people are harassing the mods for the mods having a different opinion. These people don't seem interested in any counterpoints or evidence that undermines their opinions which don't seem to take relevant facts into account.
Just like the mods and admins
It's different in my view. As the mods and admins are experiencing a loosely coordinated brigade of vitriolic messages. It's no surprise to me that they responded by filtering out those who are being persistent in bad faith communication. But they have in fact been receptive to improving the bot based on feedback. They have not, however, instantly determined and implemented any improvements.
Reviewing the situation as an outsider. It seems that the mods and admins are not wrong and those complaining are ill-informed about many aspects of what they're complaining about and are being belligerent in their ignorance. But even if they were 100% informed and correct about Media Bias Fact Check, their behavior has been out of line.