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Due to how poor twitter is run, he can't get it back.

I wish celebs would just ditch the platform already.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Twitter is international. It will not have the same appeal with segregation by nationality.

The Dutch Government has a much higher trust rating than ours has. Can you imagine the same uptake if the UK did likewise. I certainly would have zero trust with the current people in power.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it was the instance where people could follow NHS, public health, local authoritty and national updates, I think it could fly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We already have a decent .gov.uk information site.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Because organisations with websites never use Twitter

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is Mastodon, there is no segregation. This is just where they're posting their updates, you can still read them from your own Mastodon instance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If is it ran by a nationality then it will have segregation. National prejudice is very prevalent.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Umm, when I comment on Mastodon post, I rarely have any idea what instance they are on

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're on feddit.uk and I'm on kbin.social and we're both still here, commenting on a lemmy.world thread. Unless you're browsing by local (ie, only posts that are made on your local instance), or your instance is very defederation-happy, it doesn't have to mean much.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then I have to apologise for my ignorance. Reddit refugee here. I obviously do not understand how this works yet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's okay, it can be a little hard to wrap your head around!

What helped me is thinking of it like email: I can use a Gmail account, you can use a Hotmail account, and someone else can use their own private mail server. We all go to different websites/programs/apps to access our emails, and those programs might have different features, layouts, etc, but we can all still email each other. They're all federated with each other. And if you start getting emails from [email protected], [email protected], etc, you can block the entire spamcentral.com email domain - ie, defederate from it.

The fediverse works very similarly. We can all use different websites with different layouts and a few different features, but all of them can communicate with each other and show common content because they're federated with each other.

There's a big benefit to this: no single company can control the fediverse. If your instance - feddit.uk - has to shut down, or it turns out to be run by nazis, or they start trying to charge users vast amounts of money to use the instance, or make some other move you don't like, you can just make an account on another instance and continue to use the rest of the fediverse. Maybe a few communities that were hosted on your previous instance will become inaccessible, but the larger fediverse will still be available.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am fairly savvy with what makes the internet work. If Lemmy is linked then it must have a central control point. This is the piece that I was unaware of. I was under the impression that each server is freestanding. I have a log in for Feddit and also for Lemmy.

So is each instance (eg: Feddit, Lemmy.one, Lemmy.ml) on a host machine in someone's home or is it hosted on a main server?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Syldon @loobkoob "Must"? My impression is that it does not, and is said not to, and that that is not impossible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ok you made me research it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemmy_(software)

Lemmy instances are federated with each other, allowing a user on a given instance to participate in a "community" on another Lemmy instance without having to create an account on the other instance;[4] and with other instances in the Fediverse that use different software. ActivityPub is the protocol used to allow Lemmy instances to operate as a federated social network. It allows users to interact with compatible platforms including Mastodon and PeerTube.[16]>

It works as I said. I never realised Lemmy was linked. TIL

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

@Syldon Did it clear up your belief there must be a central control point?

(If I get to that WP article I might change "are federated" to "may federate" because it is more precise, and because that is part of the methods which substitute for central oversight.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just imagine the cringy name they'd come up with... BritTwit or something.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That’s gross, I bet you’re right

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The actual trust in the government isn't the issue, but having their own Mastodon instance would mean that you know this message came from this government. You can verify it with normal HTTPS, rather than just trusting who Twitter gives the blue checkmark to (anyone remember when the Conservative party changed their Twitter name to Fact Check UK and were able to keep their blue check?)

It could be the same for news companies - you'd know that "@[email protected]" is the real guy, because the domain name is owned by Channel 4, and verified by HTTPS.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

So did the municipality of Amsterdam.