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[–] partial_accumen 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Neither CBS, AP, or ABC organizations appears to support the removal of a woman's right to choose her reproductive habits, nor do they make any claims that the 2020 election was stolen, never even seen them make claims that climate change is fake.

However, I also haven't seen them advocate for single payer healthcare, or expansion of pathways of citizenship for the undocumented, or extreme restriction of gun ownership.

So left-center seems pretty sound to me. So what part of "left-center" offends you in that bot's analysis?

[–] TheTechnician27 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Sorry, no, even in the right-wing Overton window hellhole that is the US, not giving credence to the completely, obviously baseless and brazenly fascist lie that the 2020 election was stolen isn't bias toward the "center-left".

The offense I take is that MBFC consistently conflates reporting actual, undeniably factual statements with left-wing bias, which is emblematic of the ridiculous place it chooses to plant its center (US politics is their stated location). But more importantly, even from that ridiculously skewed starting point, it's patently ridiculous to call these organizations "center-left".

MBFC is a trash organization that poisons the well for sources by calling them left-biased on the basis that they report true things. They themselves show consistent bias toward the right-wing (for example, they consider both The Guardian and Breitbart "MIXED" in their factual accuracy based on wild double standards) but then try to equate basic factual reporting as political bias.

[–] partial_accumen 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

even from that ridiculously skewed starting point, it’s patently ridiculous to call these organizations “center-left”.

I think Stephen Colbert said it best: "Reality has a well known liberal bias"

What labels are the alternatives here?

  • center-right? Reporting containing new fossil fuel exploration and development while simultaneously including potential climate change impacts would invalidate this label.
  • far-right? The clear acceptance that other colors of skin besides white are acceptable and/or that women's agency deserves recognition would disqualify this label.
  • far-left? Regular reporting of rising costs of rent without calls abolishing landlords ability to own and rent property, repeated reports of industrial capacity status and layoff notices without of calls to encourage labor workers to seize manufacturing assets would disqualify this label.

So what label would you be happy with?

[–] TheTechnician27 5 points 2 months ago

I think you forgot "center". From the perspective of US politics, these are basically the most centrist publications you can get your hands on without penalizing "not reporting false, far-right conspiracies as true or even plausible" as a leftward bias. And if you determine in the context of US politics that undeniable facts are biased, then why on earth would you explicitly choose to plant your center in US politics? MBFC absolutely has a choice in that regard.

[–] Maggoty 3 points 2 months ago

You can use the same terms as political scientists. Left leaning, right leaning, far left, far right, centrist, non-aligned, specific ideology, specific demographic, objective, non aligned.

[–] Maggoty 3 points 2 months ago

You think banning abortion and election conspiracies are center right? Fucking hell, normalisation has done a number.

Anyways the correct thing for a news organization that is objective is either the word objective, or non-aligned.