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[–] Eldritch 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The meme said nothing about anarchism. ML and anarchism aren't even remotely the same. And are highly incompatible. Thus no need to defend anarchism.

I agree that socialism in the west will likely look different. Which is all the more reason to not repeat the mistakes of leninism. Capitalism and Leninism both are well disproven outdated ideologies.

[–] TokenBoomer -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Anarchism and ML are both anti-capitalist. That was my concern. Climate change requires a post-capitalist future. Capitalism will not operate under a degrowth or sustainable economy. The debate about centralized versus decentralized states or autonomous regions will never happen without cooperation to dismantle capitalism.

[–] Eldritch 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Anarchism is more than anti-capitalist. That's an awful narrow and telling reduction of it. If you want to be extremely reductive in your characterization but still accurate. It would be better to say that anarchists are anti-central Authority and large governing structures. Including Marxist leninism and capitalism.

Nearly 100 years ago it may have been possible for naive anarchists to perceive marxist leninism as possible allies. But now nearly 100 years later. Looking back with the wisdom of history and hindsight. When your best outcome with regards to the sensibilities of anarchist is an asterisk in Cuba. And every other single Marxist leninist experiment being as bad or worse in many respects than the Imperial capitalists. How are Marxist Leninist allies of anarchists?

[–] TokenBoomer 0 points 2 months ago

It would be better to say that anarchists are anti-central Authority and large governing structures.

Which is the crux of my question? If an ideological group is opposed to central authority, and large governments, how can it hope to maintain organization in a large country?

I see Marxist-Leninists and Anarchists as allies in the struggle against capitalist accumulation that has fostered the crisis of climate change. Petty disagreements aside, should this not be the overarching goal?