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He may not be in office, but Donald Trump has been speaking with the powers that be about Israel’s war on Gaza—but it’s not in an effort to end the genocide.

Instead, Trump has allegedly been talking with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to avert a cease-fire deal, fearing that doing so could help Vice President Kamala Harris win in November, according to PBS.

“The reporting is that former President Trump is on the phone with the Prime Minister of Israel, urging him not to cut a deal right now, because it’s believed that would help the Harris campaign,” said PBS’s Judy Woodruff Monday night. “So, I don’t know where—who knows whether that will come about or not, but I have to think that the Harris campaign would like for President Biden to do what presidents do, and that’s to work on that one.”

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[–] [email protected] 346 points 3 months ago (41 children)

Everyone who says "They're both equally bad. I refuse to vote for either candidate because they both support genocide" can shut the fuck up now.

[–] kescusay 122 points 3 months ago (8 children)

I strongly suspect most of the people pushing that particular line aren't eligible to vote... in American elections, that is.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I don't, I know what it was like to be an optimistic young adult. I understand the allure of holding strong to an ethical code while others' compromises seem to make the progress all too slow.

The truth is that this shit takes time and requires a lot of pressure - and that's a fucking bitter pill to swallow.

[–] forensic_potato -3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Aren't 70+ years enough time though? Those people are done. You can't ask them to swallow bitter pills for that long of a time while also telling them to shut up because "you are enabling the enemy". They have valid criticisms that some key people from the Democratic side are far too happy to ignore. Honest question...how do you compromise with an ongoing genocide in an apartheid state?

[–] PugJesus 3 points 3 months ago

Honest question…how do you compromise with an ongoing genocide in an apartheid state?

Same way we compromised with the UK and France in WW1, or the Soviet Union in WW2, or Turkiye during the Cold War, or Saudi Arabia in the modern day.

When there are some 200 countries in the world, all with their own squabbles that affect their region and themselves, taking no sides is still taking sides - and no side is clean. The idea that there's some ideal option where no one gets hurt is just not the reality of things. Not every conflict is like this - not every conflict will continue to be like this. We can make a better world. But not by sitting on our hands now in an attempt to keep them 'clean'. Short of quite literally conquering the entire world, all of our choices are necessarily limited by the need to take a side in most conflicts, in which both sides are often pretty gruesome.

That being said, fuck Israel. Revoke everything. Side with Palestine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

We didnt give it 70 years. 40 years ago we had Ronald Fucking Reagan gutting the federal government like a fish, and we go back to that party like a pendulum every 4 to 8 years.

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