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[–] Ibaudia 43 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No because 14 is not old enough to make an informed decision about that and involving the parents will increase the likelihood that they will pressure their kid into doing it for the money.

[–] Maggoty 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

The thing that gets me is even when you up the age to 16, a common age of consent, you still have consent issues. 10 million dollars creates a consent issue for any poor person of any age. Are they truly making a choice? And I get that this is what sex workers already face.

But for fuck's sake our society seems far more willing to entertain this than just having a society where nobody needs sex work to not starve.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Once one is of a consenting age, sex work is just work

The better question to ask is if it's morally acceptable to force someone to work to not starve? And then there's the whole exploitation of the global south thing.

And at least personally, I'd much rather do sex work than be a coal miner

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Dude I’m poor and I’ll appreciate that $10M choice any day.

With $10M on the table, my poverty is now a choice.

[–] Maggoty 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Sure, just like a promotion becomes a choice for a woman under a misogynist boss when he propositions her. Consent cannot exist in such a power imbalance. And it's not your fault or her fault. It's us, it's the system making that shitty situation real. We can and should change the system so that nobody faces such a choice.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It can't exist? As an exaggeration, is there no way for a woman to meaningfully consent to an offer from her male boss to swap packed lunches? After all, he might take offense and pass her over for the promotion if she declines.

And if consent is possible in that scenario, what makes it immediately impossible in the scenario where sex or romance is involved?

It seems obvious that consent has to exist on some kind of spectrum like almost everything else. But it's spoken about and thought about in a very binary way. That seems problematic given how big a topic consent is lately.

[–] Maggoty 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Funny you should bring up food. In the military leaders are trained to eat after their troops, to never gamble with them, and in general never ask anything from them that isn't related to doing the job.

Because consent cannot exist in a power imbalance. So yes the lunch swap has the exact same problem. Just with less trauma counseling.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Don't you think taking that hard-line stance kind of corners you into taking some nonsensical positions?

For example a physical power imbalance will always exist between two men of different sizes. Because the imbalance is there, you have to answer with a hard no when someone asks: "is it possible for two men of different sizes to consent to sex with one another?" But if someone asks "is it okay for two guys of different sizes to have sex?" you would presumably say yes.

Now you have been forced to say it is okay for sex to happen despite the impossibility of any consent having being given.

[–] Maggoty 2 points 3 months ago

Obviously the line gets drawn somewhere yes. Why 18 and not 19? Etc... I just had a good laugh because you stepped right in one.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You’re essentially saying that I’m incapable of economic consent, and I disagree because that dehumanizes me.

[–] Maggoty 3 points 3 months ago

I'd say the system already did that.