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It’s almost as if money has a huge influence on elections and allowing legal bribery of politicians and judges probably isn’t the best route to improving conditions for disadvantaged members in any society.
And I don’t see how pushing to continue to fund and supply their genocide is “pro-Palestinian”.
I don't see how allowing a genocide by Hamas is "pro-Palestinian"
What genocide is happening due to Hamas?
Last I checked it’s Israel that has been occupying both the West Bank and Gaza for decades.
It’s Israel that’s been declared by the ICC to be committing acts of genocide.
Israel is the one that’s running an apartheid state for decades.
History did not start on Oct 7th.
You're right, history did not start on October 7th.
As a matter of fact, the history of Hamas could be thought of to start in August of 1988, when they issued the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement.
In this covenant, they state:
"The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine." (Article 6)
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (Preamble)
"The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession] consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it." (Article 11)
"Palestine is an Islamic land... Since this is the case, the Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem wherever he may be." (Article 13)
"The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised." (Article 15)
"Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the call of duty, loudly proclaiming: 'Hail to Jihad!'. This cry will reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah's victory comes about." (Article 33)
"[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility." (Article 13)
"The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him." (Article 7)
"The enemies have been scheming for a long time ... and have accumulated huge and influential material wealth. With their money, they took control of the world media... With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the globe... They stood behind the French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the revolutions we hear about... With their money they formed secret organizations - such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs and the Lions - which are spreading around the world, in order to destroy societies and carry out Zionist interests... They stood behind World War I ... and formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains... There is no war going on anywhere without them having their finger in it." (Article 22)
"Zionism scheming has no end, and after Palestine, they will covet expansion from the Nile to the Euphrates River. When they have finished digesting the area on which they have laid their hand, they will look forward to more expansion. Their scheme has been laid out in the 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion'." (Article 32)
"The HAMAS regards itself the spearhead and the vanguard of the circle of struggle against World Zionism... Islamic groups all over the Arab world should also do the same, since they are best equipped for their future role in the fight against the warmongering Jews." (Article 32)
What does any of that have to do with Israel’s genocide? No US politician is “Pro-Hamas” they’re at best against the funding and supplying of weapons to Israel due to the ongoing genocide.
Hamas was elected nearly 20 years ago at this point and there hasn’t been one since due to Israel’s occupation. Nearly half of Gazas population is children so wouldn’t have even been alive during that election. How are any of them responsible for Hamas actions?
When I say history didn’t start on Oct 7th I’m saying that this has been happening since the Nakba well before Hamas. Decades of apartheid and genocide are going to bread anger against the purpetrators. Especially when peaceful protests have been met with violance by Israel.
Any support Hamas has is largely because it’s one of the few organizations able to fight against Israel since Israel has been helping prop up Hamas.
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So Israel, after running an apartheid state for decades and trying to slowly wipe out the Palestinian people, started to fund Hamas to prevent a Palestinian state from forming because as you clearly pointed out Hamas is an extremist group it blew up in their faces but that’s somehow the fault of the innocent children?
Maybe Israel should have been pushing for a unified state that guaranteed rights to all groups.
I can't believe you read all of that antisemitic, anti-Israeli, anti-modern society propaganda, and connected that to Hamas' atrocities on October 7th, and actually said "What does any of that have to do with" Israel's response.
Are you fucking kidding me? You can't possibly be this stupid.
Get offline, go touch grass, and maybe take a history class or two, you're not ready for this discussion, kid
Lol you're clearly just going to continue to believe Israel's propaganda that it uses to justify an ongoing Apartheid state and genocide. I actually go out and organize in my community and am extensively read up on this subject but instead of countering any of my last points you want to tap out and try to use some cliche's to end the conversation.
Lol, you're clearly just going to continue to believe the terrorist organization Hamas isn't motivated to do what their founding document clearly states they want to do. Instead, you want to "tap out" and try to deflect from their horrible existence by claiming that anyone defending against them is somehow commiting genocide.
If you "organize" your community to support Hamas, you are a fool, and are supportive of their genocidal tendencies.
Never said I don’t believe that’s Hamas goal, what I’m saying is it’s largely irrelevant when Israel has been running an apartheid state and killing Palestinians decades before Hamas was even a thing.
Hamas wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for Israel’s decades of cruel actions and more recently allowing of funding.
Think you need to ask why Israel allowed direct funding of Hamas with the clear objective of preventing a Palestinian state. Since like you pointed out they are an extremist organization that won’t help with long term peace in the area. That’s not “anti-semetic” propaganda that was literally from the Times of Israel.
Trying to deflect criticism of Israel as support for Hamas is bs. No US politician that’s spoken out against Israel or myself in any comment here has ever said Hamas “should be in charge” or “Hamas is a shining example” of what we want in the region. Stopping Israel’s genocide doesn’t mean the end goal is Hamas in charge.
We want a unified state where all citizens are treated fairly and equally. Israel has taken clear actions to prevent that.
"We want a unified state where all citizens are treated fairly and equally. Israel has taken clear actions to prevent that."
That's absolutely not what Hamas wants, as clearly defined by their forming charter.
You are completely, entirely, and wholly wrong. Get better, kid.
Shut the fuck up you genocide sympathizer. Go eat shit.
Wow, what a great argument! Eloquent in its brevity.
I can throw around flamboyant rhetoric as well. Ready?
Why don't you go join the homicidal death cult, terrorist sympathizer! Go kill a baby or rape some women, why don't you, terrorist! /s
See, how I just won? ಠ_ಠ
Why would they want to join the IOF?
You probably meant IDF, dummy.
But good one 🤦
No, I mean the IOF. The IDF is a misnomer.
Oh, you think Israel defending itself from Hamas means that they're "occupying Hamas' territory"?
In the same way US settlers were occupying indigenous land.
The Jewish people were "indigenous" to Israel though, so that's a false equivalency 🤦
We are all indigenous to Africa, doesn't make it okay to create an apartheid state there.
So we agree that you calling out "indigenous" a few messages ago was not a great idea?
"Jewish settlers are actually indigenous to Palestine" is the same nonsense logic of "the boers are actually indigenous to South Africa" or "The French are actually native to Algeria"
It is nonsense logic and also doesn't address the actual concern, the settler colonialism and the apartheid.
Thousands of years of history is nonsense to you, got it. Boers were clearly a colonial phenomenon. The French obviously weren't in Algeria for thousands of years, you absolute fool. Jewish people were living in Israel for millenia, you completely brainless buffoon🤦
It's not "settler colonialism" if a native people live on their native land, jackass.
It's not "apartheid" to defend yourself from a homicidal death cult.
Lol I usually only counter this level of delusion on reddit. And in defense or apartheid and genocide no less.
Lol, you calling history "delusion" explains the reason.
You are literally defending the genocidal death cult Hamas, and then calling others delusional.
That's classic "chronically online weirdo" shit.
Go outside, touch grass, read up on some history, get offline