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Even though I agree that it predominantly affects women who have to reconcile work and family, why do we need to exclude men from it? I stayed with our son for over one year when he was between 2 months and 1 year and 4 months. I'm the one working from home and taking care of him here especially when he can't go to the day care. It's me who is shifting most of the work to afternoon and evening. And I'm his dad, I'm also stressed that one day some people will not be OK with me doing it, even though I deliver everything on time.
But anyway, this is all hypothetical because I live in South Korea where all of this is even more extreme. But who knows, perhaps some day we will move back to Germany.
Gonna post this as a reply here so I won't have to copy this 3 times. Also tagging [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] so they see this as well
The original article by the tagespiegel uses language that makes it explicit this is supposed to include men however their motivation for demanding this (equal) home office right is because women are disproportionally affected by the lack of a right to home office work. The marketscreener article has translated this quite badly imo.
@[email protected] @[email protected] and @[email protected] won't see your tags the way you posted it, so here.
Not it curiously actually worked for me, but thank you.
Huh, really? How interesting. They show up to me as email links.
They don't show up as links at all for me, but I still got a notification for a mention. I was also surprised that it worked. Might depend on the app or the instance though. But thank you anyway.
As far as I know, men are not excluded (others may correct me if I am mistaken). The Greens may have said that exactly because women are more affected by this issue as you said, but I don't think men are excluded from the right. This would also violate the equality principle imho (but I am not a lawyer, so take this with a pinch of salt).
This is populism though, as the main reason women are disproportionally affected is because they more often work in low paying service jobs that can't be shifted to home-office easily.
I might be missing some additional information but I don't think men are excluded. I think the Greens are just making an additional point how it's especially important to women. I haven't read anything that suggests only women should have the right to work from home.
The argument is that it's especially important for women, but everyone should get it. German law will not see this implemented for only one gender. They are making the argument about women working from home for two reasons: