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No shit, the most left-wing politician in the US would be considered a far-right fascist dictator in Europe.
In the US there’s no left, because left would imply socialism that eventually lead to communism and that goes against the ideia of America, the American dream, the constitution etc. The entire country was built and maintained on the ideia of being against any form of communism.
No, it wasn't built that way, the US as a country predates strong communist movements
You can build after you founded.
Well, yeah, no point in getting semantic, I did mean that it wasn't founded on anti-communism because it predates most communist movements, but ofc it developed in anti-communism.
You can thank Woodrow Wilson for the anti-communist stuff.
https://youtu.be/hLiI6kXZkZI?si=C60tiHTgjLsvhiRR
Sorry, I'm Spanish and too lazy to watch a 30-min video about American presidents from 100 years ago, I have enough American presidents on the internet lately for the following... forever? I'm so tired of the fucking bidenkamalatrump thing, I don't see why as a Spanish person I should even know who Justice Alito is when I can't name the literal president of the UK. I'd rather blame it all on capitalism since it's the same everywhere.
Long story short that particular president used his Yale historian credentials and the presidency to push Southern Revisionism, which he wrote, and his racist ideas to fuck up this country a ton, and the rest of the world by refusing to join WWI, and thereby single handedly causing the European theater of WWII, Stalin's rise to power, Hitler's rise to power, and the eventual anti communist rhetoric that permeates the US to this day.
As to why you as a Spaniard may want to know this, it helps explain why the most powerful nation in the world keeps having apoplectic seizures, diplomatically speaking.
Explaining how all of that is literally one guy's fault is why the video is 30 minutes long. Well, that and something like a 4 minute ad in the middle.
I live in Europe. Someone like Bernie would be a labor leftie in every European country. Europe isn't the leftist walhala you think it is. Or do you really think fascists like Wilders or Meloni would be considered left wing in the US?
I doubt Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren would be considered far right.
They aren’t, Bernie is centre right
No…? 4-day work week with no reduction in pay is very much a left/far left concept even in Europe.
yeah and I could point to his right wing non-economic views
That’s why he ends up a centrist which is far from the guy’s claim of being alt-right
For example? Legit question, I’ve heard him being pretty supportive of stuff like LGBT rights, Climate activism, Gun laws and legalization of Marijuana, but I’m European so I might not have the full picture.
Pro guns - while he supports some restrictions, he is still pro gun
pro war - supported bombing Yugoslavia and invading Afghanistan
pro gender - supports gender identity/roles rather than abolishment
pro oil - recently voted against replacing oil with nuclear for power generation
Anti-illegal immigrant - not really a problem itself but in 2006 he voted in favour of indefinite incarceration. Also tried to make it illegal for the US to notify Mexico about private militias that patrol the border to kill anyone sneaking across
Drug policy - he only supports legalizing cannabis and blames pharmaceutical companies for the opioid crisis but I couldn’t find anything about giving mental healthcare to addicts or treating them like humans not criminals
Well, most of these positions are shared across the political spectrum even in Europe. (Also apparently he regrets his decision about Afghanistan). I’d still say that would place him left/center left in most of the continent, imo.
Thanks for the list though, I rarely see people bring out legit points against Bernie, it’s good to have a nuanced discussion.
No they aren't lol.
Care to argument or are you just going to say “no u” and dip? In which european country are most of these up for serious political debate?
Hell, if anything in Italy there’s discussion about nuclear but it’s the left that wants it banned while the right is pushing it.
Yeah sure.
Nobody in Europe is Pro-guns end of story. Not even a possibility.
When did you ever saw a politician in Europe going for war? Never.
European left pushed for this... that might be the only thing.
Almost every EU party and politician is pushing for green energy, not oil, not nuclear. Even Germany while being governed by the center-right decided to close nuclear power stations.
Europe is not anti-illegal immigration at all, and the proof of this was the migration mess in countries like Italy and the plan to redistribute those people across all countries.
The EU does a lot in healthcare for addicts, most countries only consider it a crime if you're carrying a large amount because it would be considered trafficking. Nobody wants to legalize anything except for the far-left extremists in a few countries.
So no, almost none of those positions are shared across the political spectrum in Europe.
He’s “pro-guns” as in, “pro-being able to own a gun under the right circumstances”. No one is trying to outlaw guns in Europe, because they aren’t as much of an issue if you actually check who you’re giving them to, like Bernie proposes.
…so they’re against nuclear and only want fully clean energy. Like Bernie.
Not really? I have a friend with those issues in Italy and every time he tried to go to psychologists or clinics they all pinned every issue on drugs and wanted him to quit cold turkey before even starting to treat him. And we’re talking about cannabis, which would be legal under Bernie.
There’s been discussions for legalization of cannabis from the left, but none for everything else. So again, the same position as Bernie.
As for war and immigration sure, I didn’t say all positions. But I still stand by the point that most of those are definitely not right-exclusive positions in the EU.
You're totally out of touch with EU reality. You can't just get a gun / buy them at a supermarket like in the US because the laws don't allow for it and everyone is against that be it right or left.
My guy I live in Europe. And you're totally out of touch with reading comprehension, that's literally what I said in the rest of the comment you cut out.