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Miller appeared on Fox News on Sunday, where he went off on a rant about the Democratic votes were thrown away as the party rallies around Vice President Kamala Harris.

"They held a primary. They had ballots. They filled out circles!" Miller shouted on Fox News. "They went to the voting booths. They spent money on advertisements!"

Still yelling, Miller says that Republicans also spent money running against Biden.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The democrats should've had a real primary with actual debates. That would've exposed the Biden situation way earlier and would've given the eventual candidate a democratic mandate. Biden dropping out now isn't ideal, but now is better than later, it was only going to get worse.

The ideal scenario would've been for Biden to keep his word about him being a transitional candidate that would step aside after one term.

[–] fulcrummed 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don’t know if that as a theory works out in practice. You never primary a sitting first term President. It would arguably have looked worse if he walked away after one. It would look like the Dems don’t take the office seriously. This way he’s been forced out, which shows how seriously he and the party have wanted to win this one.

This pivot has caught the GOP on the hop, their strategy in its entirety is ad-hominem attacks on Biden. They’ve lost the one play they had as evidenced by Stephen Miller’s melting down on tv on behalf of Dem primary voters (of all people) I’m not certain if Dems had opened the floor to candidates, or even if they’d straight up put Harris at the top of the ticket at the outset, that we’d be feeling as positive and hopeful as the donor base clearly is today. Is America ready to elect its first woman of color President? I’d say we’re closer today than any day in history. 10-12 months of media and bigots doing their thing to angry up the blood and sell airtime to advertisers would have made Hillary’s run look like a picnic at the park. Not to mention the anuswrinkle’s circus and his flying monkeys throwing their own faeces about wherever they go. The primary voters in ‘16 were so pissy about not getting their pick (feel the Bern and co.) there was never united support behind Hillary and in doing so that lack of unity handed anuswrinkle his throne for 4 years.

Sadly I think VP Harris is in for a particularly nasty barrage of that vitriolic, insecure, and ignorant shitshow, but it’s going to be an abridged version. There are only so many minutes and so many column inches between now and November, I think time is on her side.

This happening at such a late date has forced party unity out of necessity. There is no time to complain about the what ifs. The whole party machine has to pivot and consolidate in a sprint for the next 3 months - they’re too busy to do anything but rally. The party operatives are all “in the trenches” together now and this may very well turn out to be the best of all possible timelines for 2024.

[–] grue 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don’t know if that as a theory works out in practice. You never primary a sitting first term President. It would arguably have looked worse if he walked away after one. It would look like the Dems don’t take the office seriously.

What the fuck do I have to do around here to find somebody who "won't take the office seriously" like that? Resurrect the Federalist Party?

A Cincinnatus/George Washington mentality is exactly what I want in an executive!

[–] TheLameSauce 9 points 5 months ago

Yeah, I hate this rhetoric in general of "this is how it has to be done, we never deviate from the way we've always done it".

Cause the status quo has just been great, hasn't it everyone? What "worked" in all previous instances of less than 50 presidencies over the span of almost 250 years will surely continue to work in every context of the modern and future eras. Surely.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The ideal scenario would’ve been for Biden to keep his word about him being a transitional candidate that would step aside after one term.

He didn't really promise per se. He said in some interviews that he saw himself as a bridge candidate, but he never made a pledge. I assume he was trying to not make himself a lame duck president right out of the gate, which can make it difficult to pass policies.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

And I didn't take that to mean one term. Did he say one term? I took it to mean he wanted to see younger people getting into politics and specifically the presidency after him. That he wanted to pave the way for younger candidates and didn't want to see old guys like himself in office anymore.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-082129

This is what he was 'privately signalling' before he was elected.

“If Biden is elected,” a prominent adviser to the campaign said, “he’s going to be 82 years old in four years and he won’t be running for reelection.”

Sure, he didn't pledge it, but his campaign made it clear this was the plan and it's not like any of the age concerns were new if they were talking about them before he was even elected the first time.

But then again, they successfully gaslit everyone about this thing, same as the $2000 check if Warnock and Ossof got elected that turned into a $1400 check (or was it 1200?).