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It can't. It will be successful because it's Deadpool and Wolverine. It can kick off the X-Men portion. But it cannot reignite the MCU unless it gives a new villain for everyone to definitively latch on to.
I can't imagine Deadpool & Wolverine convincing people to watch the next 3 movies, Captain America, Thunderbolts, and Fantastic Four. But I can absolutely see a successful Captain America getting people to watch Thunderbolts and a string of good movies getting people to watch Fantastic Four.
As a huge Thunderbolts fan, I'm terribly confident they're going to fuck up Thunderbolts on the big screen.
I was worried when they said the initial script was essentially a Yelena movie. I just don't want them to mess up John Walker. He was SO GOOD in FatWS. And it would have been so easy to have made him a joke or a 1-dimensional villain.
I've got my fingers crossed that they're not that careless with him. His fantastic performance made him an obvious addition to the Thunderbolts lineup.
I'm concerned that none of the characters leaked so far are just straight up simple selfish bank robbers.
I'm fine with the later secret agent and dimension hopping stuff. But the heart of the Thunderbolts is supposed to be people who got a bad deal from life deciding who they're going to be when life finally gives then a break (and then takes it away again). I don't think that story works as a spy thriller - not for the first introduction, anyway.
Either way, I'll probably check it out to see what they do with John Walker and Yelena. I'm just concerned that they're going to waste the "Thunderbolts" name on it, and not be able to do the other stuff later.
I haven't been keeping up, what Thunderbolts run did they base the new movie on?
None of them, as far as I can tell. It wouldn't bother me, except that we haven't seen Screaming Mimi or Songbird in the MCU yet, and I'm concerned they've decided not to include her because her powers are expensive to CGI.
I'm worried that there's not many Thunderbolts stories that work without Songbird.
It would make sense to try to fit Yelena into that role, but I'm not sure that will resonate the same way. Screaming Mimi wasn't a villain due to a global secret conspiracy. She just liked money.
The bummer is that Kang was that villain. Loki season 1 set up a perfect villain. Quantumania wasted him. And Loki season 2 resolved Kang.
I expect part of the issue is the actor himself, so I understand downplaying the character, but I really wish they had recast.
As an R rated film I doubt we'll get a permanent big bad here, but I hope so.
This. Cant bring it back unless its a complete slate wipe. Even then, they'd need to revolutionize the formula.
The new villain is Cassandra Nova.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra_Nova
She's the villain of this movie, she's definitely not Thanos or Kang level villain. And there are suspicion that even in this movie she's a fake out and there will be another villain replacing her. Either it's Doom and this movie starts him up like Avengers 1 did Thanos, or it's someone else and it won't be a Thanos level villain either.