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[–] ceenote 31 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Even if Donald Trump were young, handsome, well spoken, charming, and intelligent, he'd still stand for a repugnant and destructive cause. Meanwhile, the biggest albatross on the Democrats' relatively positive agenda is its weak leader.

[–] rayyy 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

the biggest albatross on the Democrats’ relatively positive agenda is its weak leader.

If it takes a "weak leader" to pull the country out of recession, inflation, unemployment, create a fantastic infrastructure program and all the other amazing policies that Joe Biden has managed to accomplish, I will gladly take a "weak leader" over a strong criminal/rapist/felon/liar.

[–] Viking_Hippie -2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

pull the country out of recession, inflation, unemployment, create a fantastic infrastructure program

Biden has done exactly none of that.

all the other amazing policies that Joe Biden has managed to accomplish

Only thing close to "amazing policy" he's done is the student debt forgiveness that he's insisting on means testing to death. Not because it makes it more likely to pass Republican courts (it doesn't since they're pathologically opposed to even a single dollar being forgiven), but because that's what Dem leadership always do when something helps regular people but not their rich owner donors.

I will gladly take a "weak leader" over a strong criminal/rapist/felon/liar.

He's less awful for sure, but GLADLY?? Even if Biden miraculously becomes at least 50% more popular in the next 4 months and wins, that sets his successor candidate up for failure and Project 2025 still happens as Project 2029.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Down votes here are unwarranted. OP was being generous, I can only assume to raise support for Biden, which is a fine cause. The responder was simply recalibrating OP because its disingenuous to believe biden is the answer to all of these problems. That's not to say you shouldn't support biden for a myrid of other reasons.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Yeah, I'll vote Biden if I have to, but we really need a replacement. He's going to lose at this rate, and it's going to fuck the world up.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's part of it, but we can't forget the Democrats' right-wing slide. Setting aside Gaza because that's obvious, things like their recent stance on immigration is making people wonder "why am I even voting for these people". Now you might say "because Trump" but that's not enough to get people to vote for a party that actively refuses to represent its constituents.

[–] njm1314 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Their recent stance on immigration is much more broadly popular than you imagin.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Definitely not with Democrat voters. For some people not doing that shit is the reason they vote Democrat.

[–] njm1314 1 points 5 months ago

Yes among Democrats.

[–] slickgoat 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

As an outsider, out of a US population of 333 million people - these two are the guys battling it out to be your leader?

I mean, have you considered, perhaps, someone else in the larger pool?

[–] ceenote 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

What you're seeing right now is how tough it is to get the geriatrics who already have power to leave the door open to someone else.