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It's so crazy how many young guys choose this clown as their role model...
They have very few good role models to choose from. That's part of the problem.
There aren't enough role models teaching them that you can be a man without being toxic to women.
This is true, but I can find a better role model on the bottom of my shoe. I wish people weren't so susceptible to his type of bullshit.
There’s an unlimited supply of great role models on the internet. It just takes a few minutes of effort to find them, because algorithmic feeds that are optimized for outrage/engagement to serve more ads are slightly easier to consume.
If they have to look for them, they will find the ones they don’t have to look for first. Expecting them to seek out a healthy role model when the Andrew Tates of the world prey on them is a foolish expectation.
Is this really the problem, or is the problem that the sort of people with role models like Tate are the sort of people who wouldn't gravitate towards non-toxic role models in the first place?
Because if it's actually true that there are very few good male role models to choose from, I'm not entirely sure what that tells us about men, exactly.
It's more a factor of the format. There are few if any good female role models for the same type of spaces. The terminally online and angry at life teens aren't interacting with the spaces where good role models are.
And the algorithms are actively pushing them away from the good role models toward the controversial videos.
This is such an odd take that I'm really not sure what type of spaces you're referring to exactly
Spaces of anger at life. Of "edginess" bordering into the "isms" (racism, antisemitism, sexism etc) as proof of how much you don't give a fuck. That exists for many (usually depressed) teens. These spaces exist for both young men and women and lead into listening to the same type of shit takes. These spaces basically algorithmically get "edgier" and edgier until they are actually racist, sexist, etc. Any good role model who chances upon this and tries to engage is drowned out derided and shunned (either for not understanding "we're just being edgy, man" to "heres some 'articles' about phrenology and the replacement theory that looks real emough to most people" until the good person leaves.
The female equivalent to Tate would be something like a "tradwife" vlogger. They may not be as infamous but there's a lot of them and they aren't better.
A woman watching tradwife vlogs and a man watching Tate are both upset about various things in society. Many of which are reasonable, the cost of living, being able to find a partner, why the government doesn't work for them, whether there is any meaning in their life basically. They only get the perspective of get rich, fuck women or find a rich man and make babies/take care of the house.
Ah right yes, I get what you mean, definitely agree with that
He had a lifestyle where he was constantly sleeping with different women, saying whatever garbage he wanted, very wealthy, and made his money running cons instead of real work.
I get it, I don't approve, but I get why some angry 17 year old would want that. By the time you hit 17 or so you already know the game is rigged, the trick is to get to 30 where you are too apathetic to care.
I mean, he comes across as an incredibly pathetic sad loser that has managed to gather some money and fame. His fans probably relate to the former and hope watching his videos and taking after him will lead to the latter. 🤷♂️
He's not a good person but some of the things he says are things that almost every young man resonates with. Feeling worthless, being lonely, wanting something to strive for, having no purpose, the feeling that life is unfair to you but you can't complain, or social stuff is hard.
It's not the solutions he proposed that made him popular, but the problems he raised.
Now let's be clear here, he's a slimy criminal with a ton of different schemes running concurrently, but at face value we still haven't found the time to address the problems he raised. The void he leaves is exploitable unless we get someone righteous who takes his place to inspire young men. And no, I don't think there's role models right now that can take his place, at least not with that reach or that charisma.