And no, I'm not saying don't vote; I'm saying that there comes a point when voting isn't going to solve the problem
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Anyone defending genocide isnt a leftist, not a liberal, a "tankie" or anything else.
They're a fascist who doesn't want to be called a fascist.
It's not like people are running around using NK as a straw puppet for why democracy is bad, we all agree they're just lying about their governmental system.
Eh, although I agree in principle, facism isn't a catch-all term for all authoritarian ideologies. Fascism is essentially corporatist ("corporation" in the poli sci sense, not "ruled by private corporations") authoritarian capitalism with a big focus on private enterprise, completely against eg. welfare systems or anything like that (because weak people doesn't deserve to be supported, and if anything need to be killed), highly misogynistic, etc. etc. For example the NSDAP privatized a lot of previously public enterprises, which doesn't seem to be something a lot of people realize.
While tankies are authoritarian, they're still communists or socialists or whatever.
So you're saying a "moderate liberal" who supports genocide is more of a fascist than a "tankie"? Or would you call them a "tankie" for saying theyre on the left but openly supporting genocide, siccing police on peaceful protestors, and immediately cutting off any voter/media/politicians who disagree with them?
Sxomeone that openly refuses to step aside unless "lord God" tells them? Someone that insists they're the only one that can save the country, and if they don't personally win the country is over.
Would you call them "tankie" or fascist?
I'm not saying anything like that: you're saying that.
What I was saying is that fascism is its own kind of ideology, and although yes it's been pretty fluid over the years, the hallmarks are authoritarian capitalism, emphasis on private enterprise, social Darwinism (supporting "the strong" and loathing "the weak"), misogyny, and the hatred and outright murder of the Other (jews, foreigners, LGBT+ people, people with the wrong religion, people with no religion, whoever).
Lots of folks fit the mold even without necessarily realizing it.
A tankie is an authoritarian communist. Your hypothetical person doesn't seem to support communism nor be a leftist, and it's kinda hard to say if they're a fascist or not just based on what you wrote. Fascist-adjacent maybe but 🤷
Don’t bother. These people LOVE rewriting your narrative. It’s the only way they can win arguments.
Well, if you lump misogyny in with other bigotry like it should be...
That's a pretty good description of "moderate Dems" and Joe Biden's entire 2024 campaign specifically.
My point is, breaking it all up into every slice getting it's own special name is ridiculous and just confuses people.
But I don't think you're going to magically start understanding any of this if I keep replying.
You seriously think it's less confusing to use a well-established political term incorrectly for everything that's even a little bit authoritarian, and that calling different systems by their own and well-established terms is confusing? This is just your version of reich-wingers calling everyone to the left of Goebbels a "socialist" because they can't be bothered to learn about politics.
And I'm supposedly the dim one here?
That's exactly what it is. And if they weren't so obviously a troll, they could have actually made an interesting point.
The difference is that the meaning of words actually matters to people on the left. While, yes, the right does benefit from easier organization because they can all just yell the same thing, the reason is because they all know that the real point in bigotry and cruelty. The specifics don't matter as long as the Party wins, and the Other suffers
This is why you see so many "people" making both sides arguments. You can convince people on the left of things, because we care about words, so these arguments only harm our candidates, even if, on the surface, they seem balanced
Is it obvious? Honest question, I can't tell. I assumed they're just a regular person with very stupid opinions
I mean, they're literally trying to dilute the meaning fascism, which is sure to only benefit fascists. And they're basically doing the both sides thing as well. The goal seems to be to convince us that Biden is just as bad as Trump, which is not even close to the truth, and, as I said, only hurts the left, because it convinced people not to vote. If they're not a troll, they're a sucker regurgitating rightwing cons
Oh yeah they definitely are, I just didn't take it as trolling, but as a stupid person having stupid opinions and saying stupid things. Not that it makes a difference in the end, an idjit is an idjit
They’re a well known troll. Yes. They constantly misinterpret your point purposefully so they can win the argument. It’s like building straw men out of the words of others.
Most of them do this.
Time to plonk them on the 'ol block list I guess
No liberal supports genocide. It’s been explained to you time and again. The problem with debating you is that everyone has to wade through the bullshit world you created just to get back to the reality where the actual things happen.
NO LIBERAL SUPPORTS GENOCIDE.
Stop making up bullshit and stating it as a fact. It does nothing but dilute the point of any discussion you’re in.
We support Biden over Trump because we feel curable cancer is a better option than an incurable one. And unlike you, we also understand how nuance works within the context of political events. We don’t just make shit up so that we can win arguments.
Maybe try it? Or are you that afraid to give up the commonality you share with MAGA?
I see you have met the auth-“left”.
I mean...
The "moderate" wing and Joe Biden are the ones insisting on genocide these days.
Although with the way Biden has been treating protestors and voters/media/politicians who question him...
Yeah, ok, I guess we can start call Biden and them "auth-left" instead of "moderate".