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Zelenskyy: If Trump Has Plan to End the Ukraine War 'He Should Tell Us Today' (www.commondreams.org)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The criticisms are universally about how he "ended" it. I have seen no one that was in favor of staying. Likewise, Trump gets criticism on betraying our allies because he knowingly and intentionally ratfucked the kurds, or have you totally forgotten about that?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Trump didn’t end the war in Afghanistan. Biden did. The President who determined how that happened was Joe Biden.

[–] irreticent 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Timeline of U.S. Withdrawal from Afghanistan

"The Trump administration in February 2020 negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban that excluded the Afghan government, freed 5,000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers and set a date certain of May 1, 2021, for the final withdrawal."

"And the Trump administration kept to the pact, reducing U.S. troop levels from about 13,000 to 2,500, even though the Taliban continued to attack Afghan government forces and welcomed al-Qaeda terrorists into the Taliban leadership."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

“And the Trump administration kept to the pact, reducing U.S. troop levels from about 13,000 to 2,500, even though the Taliban continued to attack Afghan government forces and welcomed al-Qaeda terrorists into the Taliban leadership.”

So should the withdrawal have been stopped at that point? Exactly how much longer do you think we should've stayed in Afghanistan?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

And that criticism was always bullshit. There's no "right" way to retreat, it was always going to play out the way it did. Journalists criticized it in bad faith, because it generated clicks and because they never actually opposed the war, because again, war is great for clicks. In reality, what happened when the US pulled out was the culmination of 20 years spent doing nothing to stabilize the country and only making the Taliban stronger.

But go ahead then, armchair strategist, and describe to me what specifically could've been done differently about the withdrawal that would not have resulted in things playing out the way they did.

Opposing the withdrawal is the same as supporting the war. The withdrawal was one of the only good things Biden did in his whole career and liberals will never forgive him for it. Worse yet, you want to allow Trump to claim credit for it when Biden's the one who actually saw it through and had to deal with the flak from it.